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curl-6 said:
spemanig said:

We're talking pre-launch rumors, dude. It's not even remotely a stretch to say that 99.99% of consumers will not have known any of this stuff before buying. Most of the information they hear about the Switch will come from Nintendo and associated developers and the way people react to what they put out. The Switch trailer and peoples reactions. The Switch press event and peoples reactions. The Switch tour and peoples reactions. Switch ads and peoples reactions. That's when people will make their minds on the Switch. Not forum banter and not enthusiast rumors. 

I'm not saying it's game over just yet. All I mean is, given the amount of hits and traffic on the spec leak articles and the mostly negative reaction to them, I don't think we can safely say it's had no impact. 

Sure its had an impact.......a very insignificant amount of impact.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

I think it's a mistake to assume only 0.01% of gamers are informed about these things. In 1996 maybe, but not today. It is common public knowledge, for example, that PS4 is stronger than Xbox One.

And yeah, I know many people in real life who may not be as into gaming as me but still hear about these things. We live in the information age, word gets around. Back in 2012/2013 more than one friend of mine decided against getting a Wii U when they heard it was struggling to outperform PS3 and 360.

I didnt say gamers, i said the world but anywho lets go with gamers. PS4+XBO+3DS+Vita+Wii U have sold about 165 million, the most powerful of them has about 30% marketshare, of that 30% how many of them do you think bought it specifically because it was the most powerful? 10-20%? That would mean of the 165 million units of hardware sold this generation, only about 5% made their choice because of power.

PS4 has over 50% of the console market, and will soon be the highest selling of all of current gen systems and by a considerable margin.

And don't underestimate the role that power played in PS4's success; in a survey by Neilson, "better resolution" was cited as the #1 reason among buyers who chose PS4 over Xbox One: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/02/26/reason-for-buying-ps4/



zorg1000 said:

 Dont be a dick, i knew what you wrote and you didnt have to repeat yourself because it doesnt change what i said, regardless of having a dock that can boost performance, the form factor of Switch still makes that impossible.

So having a more recent/more advanced chip & a bigger battery wouldn't affect the price, size or heat? Like I said earlier, it would have to be a bigger and more expensive device in order to pull that off.

Now it seems like you aren't properly reading, THE BIGGER THE GAP IN POWER BETWEEN DOCK & UNDOCKED MODE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT WILL BE TO OPTIMIZE FOR BOTH. The rumors say that Switch is easy to develop for in its current form, would that hold true if the gap between docked & undocked mode was significantly greater? Probably not.

I wasn't being a dick, I was countering your point, it does change what you said. 

Actually, it wouldn't affect the price. If Nintendo didn't make AS MUCH money as they're most likely planning to on every unit sold, than it could stay at 250$. I'm not saying Nintendo should take a loss on the console, they could still make a profit. But let's be realistic here, this is NINTENDO. Do you really think the Switch's cost is even close to the cost it is to buy one? Imagine if Nintendo just made a little bit less profit. I know you're gonna say "i'm expecting to much" ... but not really. When the Playstation 4 first launched do you want to know how much Sony got with each unit released? 11$. And Now Sony is having their first profitable year this year in three years simply because the Playstation brand has made them 78.6% of their current profit for this year. Hell I'm not even saying Nintendo should make chump change for the console, but let's be honest, for how "revolutionary" the Switch technology is...the Specs could still be better for the speculated price. If this is 300, which is completely possible, my point would be increased even further. 

Also about the heat...yea dude...30% of the Tegra's power undocked is soooooooooooooooooooo  overkill. It's like nintendo is your paranoid old aunt or something. This is too far. 

"Now it seems like you aren't properly reading, THE BIGGER THE GAP IN POWER BETWEEN DOCK & UNDOCKED MODE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT WILL BE TO OPTIMIZE FOR BOTH. The rumors say that Switch is easy to develop for in its current form, would that hold true if the gap between docked & undocked mode was significantly greater? Probably not."

 

Lmao dude this literally makes NO SENSE. I'm not going to be a dick anymore, and i'm sorry for coming off like that earlier. But think about what you're saying. You're saying the Switch is easy to develop for because of it's underpowered specs? No. When people say Switch is easier to develop for, they mean because of it's support of most modern engines, as well as it's modern architecture(basically any mobile Nvidia chip has more modern architecture than ps4 and xbone), as well as it's OS. They're not saying "MAN...the difference between undocked and docked is SO SMALL that it's easy to develop for!" That's simply not something people mean when they mean it's easy to develop for. Because the reality is, the difference is pretty big.

 

You said "The rumors say that Switch is easy to develop for in its current form, would that hold true if the gap between docked & undocked mode was significantly greater? Probably not." 

 

What does that even mean? Are you saying that if they upgraded the system the difference between the portable and docked mode would grow larger? HOW? IF THEY UPGRADED THE CHIP, IT WOULD BE USING THE SAME EXACT CHIP FOR BOTH MODES AND THUS THE POWER DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE SAME. For instance, if they have the tegra x1 at 30% on the go right now...and upgraded to the pascal tegra...the difference between the undocked and docked system would STILL BE THE SAME because it's one chip unit, you aren't upgrading one part separately, it's the same console and therefore if they wanted to say go with 30% for a custom pascal chip on the go...the difference in power would be the EXACT SAME as it is now. KEEP IN MIND, the Pascal is more powerful than Maxwell and is more power efficient. 

 

The only other way I can interpret your comment, and this  makes a little sense, is that you think that they would have to compensate for the better chip by making the difference between docked and undocked greater so that the battery life and/or heat doesn't ruin the system. This still makes no sense though, since these specs just show that Nintendo isn't being very good at using the system to it's potential. With the fan .. possible added cooling for the dock...etc...this should be running at much better percentages. It's confirmed by anyone that knows basic specs that this isn't BEING DEVELOPED EFFICIENTLY AT ALL. There's literal tablets with similar graphics that have bette battery life and don't heat up. Tablets that use their graphics much more. So the point doesn't really stand. 

 

Either way dude, agree to disagree I guess. Sorry for being rude. I'm excited for January 12th none theless.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

I didnt say gamers, i said the world but anywho lets go with gamers. PS4+XBO+3DS+Vita+Wii U have sold about 165 million, the most powerful of them has about 30% marketshare, of that 30% how many of them do you think bought it specifically because it was the most powerful? 10-20%? That would mean of the 165 million units of hardware sold this generation, only about 5% made their choice because of power.

PS4 has over 50% of the console market, and will soon be the highest selling of all of current gen systems and by a considerable margin.

And don't underestimate the role that power played in PS4's success; in a survey by Neilson, "better resolution" was cited as the #1 reason among buyers who chose PS4 over Xbox One: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/02/26/reason-for-buying-ps4/

So gamers now becomes specifically console gamers? And what percentage of those PS4 owners did it specifically because of power?

That survey doesnt really quantify anything, how many people were surveyed? what percentage of those people said better resolution? What were the age breakdown of people who were surveyed?

A single survey that doesnt quantify anything doesnt mean much.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

curl-6 said:
spemanig said:

We're talking pre-launch rumors, dude. It's not even remotely a stretch to say that 99.99% of consumers will not have known any of this stuff before buying. Most of the information they hear about the Switch will come from Nintendo and associated developers and the way people react to what they put out. The Switch trailer and peoples reactions. The Switch press event and peoples reactions. The Switch tour and peoples reactions. Switch ads and peoples reactions. That's when people will make their minds on the Switch. Not forum banter and not enthusiast rumors. 

I'm not saying it's game over just yet. All I mean is, given the amount of hits and traffic on the spec leak articles and the mostly negative reaction to them, I don't think we can safely say it's had no impact. 

I haven't seen evidence of any significant boost in viewage on any of them.



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To be fair, if that survey was conducted online, it's a bit redundant. It's an online survey, it would probably correlate to the online userbase...you know...the people who care about the specs the most to begin with.

BUT...if it wasn't, there might be fair correlation.



zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

PS4 has over 50% of the console market, and will soon be the highest selling of all of current gen systems and by a considerable margin.

And don't underestimate the role that power played in PS4's success; in a survey by Neilson, "better resolution" was cited as the #1 reason among buyers who chose PS4 over Xbox One: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/02/26/reason-for-buying-ps4/

So gamers now becomes specifically console gamers? And what percentage of those PS4 owners did it specifically because of power?

That survey doesnt really quantify anything, how many people were surveyed? what percentage of those people said better resolution? What were the age breakdown of people who were surveyed?

A single survey that doesnt quantify anything doesnt mean much.

Do you have a study that counters it?

Graphics matter. The study shows it. PS4 trouncing Wii U and Xbox One shows it. The fact that multi-billion dollar corporations sink fortunes into chasing pretty visuals shows it. We'd still be gaming on Atari 2600 if graphics didn't matter.



spemanig said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not saying it's game over just yet. All I mean is, given the amount of hits and traffic on the spec leak articles and the mostly negative reaction to them, I don't think we can safely say it's had no impact. 

I haven't seen evidence of any significant boost in viewage on any of them.

DF's video had over 100,000 hits inside of a day, and that's just the attached video, not the article.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

I didnt say gamers, i said the world but anywho lets go with gamers. PS4+XBO+3DS+Vita+Wii U have sold about 165 million, the most powerful of them has about 30% marketshare, of that 30% how many of them do you think bought it specifically because it was the most powerful? 10-20%? That would mean of the 165 million units of hardware sold this generation, only about 5% made their choice because of power.

PS4 has over 50% of the console market, and will soon be the highest selling of all of current gen systems and by a considerable margin.

And don't underestimate the role that power played in PS4's success; in a survey by Neilson, "better resolution" was cited as the #1 reason among buyers who chose PS4 over Xbox One: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/02/26/reason-for-buying-ps4/

No one is going to answer that they bought a PS4 because good marketing worked on them or that bad PR from the competition only gave them one console alternative. People thought the PS2 was the most powerful and the 360 was the most powerful. People still think the PS1 was the most powerful and that the GCN was the weakest. The mass market doesn't actually care. They care about what's most popular, and that's dictated by marketing and good PR.



Yup it's all about the flops. Nothing is as telling as the flops when it comes to games.

Not enough flops? gtfo

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