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DonFerrari said:
d21lewis said:

I don't know the history of EA and Sony. I owned a PS3 and an Xbox 360 last gen and I don't really remember any favoritism. And even if there were, why would it be any worse than Grand Theft Auto giving M$ a one year exclusive to GTAIV dlc or Call of Duty giving Xbox players first access to certain content?

Also, does Sony want EA Access? Does EA want their service on PlayStation 4? I legitimately do not know. Somebody educate me with some facts because this thread isn't doing it.

What I do know is that I'm on week two of a month long free trial and when it runs out, I'm signing up. Need For Speed franchise, Battlefield franchise, Plants vs Zombies franchise, Mass Effect franchise, Start Wars Battlefront, Unravel, Dragon Age, etc are too much to pass up for less than the price of a burger a month.

I can say what I suppose.

At the time EA Access was started EA put MS and Sony to bid and MS won, so Sony just made that remark out of spite after losing.

Or the even more plausible. EA demanded that most of the cut made from the games on EA Access discount plan to be made to EA because it would be their game and their service. So you get free games on EA Access that would compete with the sale of PSN and also the discounts that when made through EA Access wouldn't be made on PSN.

So altough it isn't less value to PS customers to have EA Access it almost certainly is less money to Sony.

I guess that makes sense. And it's not like Sony needs the service.

Unlike a lot of others, I don't think there is any real bad blood between the companies. When it comes to sports games, you either work with EA or you don't have sports (aside from MLB). Some say that's a large part of what killed the Dreamcast and WiiU. 

*Edit* This makes me wonder, though. Is PlayStation Now profitable? I mean, I could use the service on my TV with no console right now, if I wanted to. Meanwhile EA Access needs a console for full game downloads. I'd still need PS+ to play any EA games online. And is it costing M$ money competing with any of their services?

So many questions....



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d21lewis said:
setsunatenshi said:

 

You don't need to try and sell me that BS 'service' from EA. I have origin on PC, so if I ever felt the need to have EA access I would purchase it.

 

Now on your question, how does it negatively affect me? Well let's put it this way, I believe it is predatory of any company to artificially withold the release of a game in order to milk extra money from the people who are excited for that game to come out and even pre-ordered it. Also in a game like Battlefield waiting a week after release to begin playing it means you're already at a disadvantage against people who managed to unlock a ton of weapons in the week prior.

I do not like this practice, so I don't support it with my money. I don't want to have a situation in which every big publisher things they can have a service like this and we'd be stuck either having 2 tiers of customers. Sure it might not be a big deal to have the next Fifa released 1 week earlier, but what if story heavy games like Mass Effect and such have this same treatment? Now all of a sudden, there is no safe place on the internet with tons of people spoiling the game to those who 'have' to wait an extra week to play it.

 

The main point I was trying to make is, Sony has full control of their ecosystem, and if they deem deterimental to their services to have EA access, they are 100% in their right to not allow it. They were transparent about it from the beginning, so not 1 person who bought a Playstation was 'robbed' of this service.

Your post seems level headed and your explained your reasons well. I'll respond point by point. Before I do, I'll just say that i respect your opinion on the matter.

1.) I never thought EA Access had value until I tried it. I'm the kind of person that prefers to own a game rather than "rent" them. It wasn't until recently that I warmed up to the idea of PlayStation Plus and Xbox Live Gold "free games". I understand you're happy with your current options. I was happy with mine. I can still appreciate the fact that there might be some gamers that play solely on PS4 that would be happy with a service like EA Access. Even if it were another company that offered it in PlayStation (ie: Activision) it wouldn't be EA. Even if their offerings are better, it still wouldn't be the same.

It's a moot point, though. As it stands, there isn't an EA Access on PS4 and there's not going to be. 

2.) To my knowledge, EA let players play 10 hours before the game released. There's a big difference between 10 hours and a whole week! That's basically the difference between people who went to a midnight launch and people who waited until the next morning to pick up a pre order. And even then, it had to be digital. Not a huge advantage, in my opinion.

Conversely, Gears of War 4 let people who paid extra for a digital version play the game a full four days earlier! It didn't ruin things.

3.) I agree. Sony has full control of their ecosystem. I also think that people who like games from a particular company would love EA Access or something similar if they were more educated on what it did. I admit it. I didn't know. Now I do. If there was a "Sony Access" that allowed $10 off on upcoming Sony games, and also let players download Ratchet and Clank, Gravity Rush, ND Collection, etc, wouldn't that sound great?

But, as you said, you don't support such practices and I respect that. We can only speak for ourselves but clearly, you can see why other people might find it enticing, right? And with the feature being entirely optional and inexpensive, you can see why it doesn't really hurt anyone or give an unfair advantage.

I appreciate your point of view on this, and on principle I believe EA should be able to have this service on the platforms that accept it. Right now that means Xbox and PC. One of things I'm arguing is this notion pushed by several people, that somehow Sony has some special obligation to open the doors in their platform for EA access and for that reason users are somehow being stolen of something.

I actually enjoy several EA published games and Battlefield is one of my most played games all year every year (on PC ofc), so it's not like I'm ignoring they have some quality titles.

Also I have subscriptions in game access services like PS Now. In this case I do it simply because there's a ton of PS3 games I want to play from time to time and don't want to be dragging an ancient system everytime . Now if Sony started giving me special access (early access) to new games just because I have that service I would also be pissed with it on the principle alone. There's no reason why I should get to play Last of Us 2 a few days earlier than Billy Bob down the street just because I'm also paying for an aditional service. That would be dirty as fuck and a slippery slope for the same type of shit to start happen more and more. It makes even less sense now that the goods are digital, so we know they aren't giving early access to some people due to low product availability.

So on a personal level, I'm glad you're enjoying the service you paid for, but I'm kind of glad that Sony on a leadership position is not giving in to those practices. Will it change in the future if it makes financial sense for them? Maybe, but I sure hope not. In any case I can only vote with my wallet, so if Sony and EA agreed to have this available I would simply not get it.

Having said all this, if EA would end that early access perk for their games, then I probably wouldn't have anything against it.



setsunatenshi said:
d21lewis said:

Your post seems level headed and your explained your reasons well. I'll respond point by point. Before I do, I'll just say that i respect your opinion on the matter.

1.) I never thought EA Access had value until I tried it. I'm the kind of person that prefers to own a game rather than "rent" them. It wasn't until recently that I warmed up to the idea of PlayStation Plus and Xbox Live Gold "free games". I understand you're happy with your current options. I was happy with mine. I can still appreciate the fact that there might be some gamers that play solely on PS4 that would be happy with a service like EA Access. Even if it were another company that offered it in PlayStation (ie: Activision) it wouldn't be EA. Even if their offerings are better, it still wouldn't be the same.

It's a moot point, though. As it stands, there isn't an EA Access on PS4 and there's not going to be. 

2.) To my knowledge, EA let players play 10 hours before the game released. There's a big difference between 10 hours and a whole week! That's basically the difference between people who went to a midnight launch and people who waited until the next morning to pick up a pre order. And even then, it had to be digital. Not a huge advantage, in my opinion.

Conversely, Gears of War 4 let people who paid extra for a digital version play the game a full four days earlier! It didn't ruin things.

3.) I agree. Sony has full control of their ecosystem. I also think that people who like games from a particular company would love EA Access or something similar if they were more educated on what it did. I admit it. I didn't know. Now I do. If there was a "Sony Access" that allowed $10 off on upcoming Sony games, and also let players download Ratchet and Clank, Gravity Rush, ND Collection, etc, wouldn't that sound great?

But, as you said, you don't support such practices and I respect that. We can only speak for ourselves but clearly, you can see why other people might find it enticing, right? And with the feature being entirely optional and inexpensive, you can see why it doesn't really hurt anyone or give an unfair advantage.

I appreciate your point of view on this, and on principle I believe EA should be able to have this service on the platforms that accept it. Right now that means Xbox and PC. One of things I'm arguing is this notion pushed by several people, that somehow Sony has some special obligation to open the doors in their platform for EA access and for that reason users are somehow being stolen of something.

I actually enjoy several EA published games and Battlefield is one of my most played games all year every year (on PC ofc), so it's not like I'm ignoring they have some quality titles.

Also I have subscriptions in game access services like PS Now. In this case I do it simply because there's a ton of PS3 games I want to play from time to time and don't want to be dragging an ancient system everytime . Now if Sony started giving me special access (early access) to new games just because I have that service I would also be pissed with it on the principle alone. There's no reason why I should get to play Last of Us 2 a few days earlier than Billy Bob down the street just because I'm also paying for an aditional service. That would be dirty as fuck and a slippery slope for the same type of shit to start happen more and more. It makes even less sense now that the goods are digital, so we know they aren't giving early access to some people due to low product availability.

So on a personal level, I'm glad you're enjoying the service you paid for, but I'm kind of glad that Sony on a leadership position is not giving in to those practices. Will it change in the future if it makes financial sense for them? Maybe, but I sure hope not. In any case I can only vote with my wallet, so if Sony and EA agreed to have this available I would simply not get it.

Having said all this, if EA would end that early access perk for their games, then I probably wouldn't have anything against it.

Thanks, man. I appreciate the level headed reply.

#Respect



A question to Xbox owners. Do you still get EA games with GwG? Do you still get discounts from EA games with gold subs? I'm just asking because I would like to know if there's been an impact on those things with EA Access about.



d21lewis said:
setsunatenshi said:

I appreciate your point of view on this, and on principle I believe EA should be able to have this service on the platforms that accept it. Right now that means Xbox and PC. One of things I'm arguing is this notion pushed by several people, that somehow Sony has some special obligation to open the doors in their platform for EA access and for that reason users are somehow being stolen of something.

I actually enjoy several EA published games and Battlefield is one of my most played games all year every year (on PC ofc), so it's not like I'm ignoring they have some quality titles.

Also I have subscriptions in game access services like PS Now. In this case I do it simply because there's a ton of PS3 games I want to play from time to time and don't want to be dragging an ancient system everytime . Now if Sony started giving me special access (early access) to new games just because I have that service I would also be pissed with it on the principle alone. There's no reason why I should get to play Last of Us 2 a few days earlier than Billy Bob down the street just because I'm also paying for an aditional service. That would be dirty as fuck and a slippery slope for the same type of shit to start happen more and more. It makes even less sense now that the goods are digital, so we know they aren't giving early access to some people due to low product availability.

So on a personal level, I'm glad you're enjoying the service you paid for, but I'm kind of glad that Sony on a leadership position is not giving in to those practices. Will it change in the future if it makes financial sense for them? Maybe, but I sure hope not. In any case I can only vote with my wallet, so if Sony and EA agreed to have this available I would simply not get it.

Having said all this, if EA would end that early access perk for their games, then I probably wouldn't have anything against it.

Thanks, man. I appreciate the level headed reply.

#Respect

cheers man, love&respect :)



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SWORDF1SH said:
A question to Xbox owners. Do you still get EA games with GwG? Do you still get discounts from EA games with gold subs? I'm just asking because I would like to know if there's been an impact on those things with EA Access about.

Burnout Paradise is one of the "free" games this month. There was a free NBA 2K weekend recently. I think Titanfall 2 was free for a weekend, too (on a different note, Call of Duty should be free for a few days soon, too). 



d21lewis said

Burnout Paradise is one of the "free" games this month. There was a free NBA 2K weekend recently. I think Titanfall 2 was free for a weekend, too (on a different note, Call of Duty should be free for a few days soon, too). 

I thought the 2K series was Take-Two, not EA. Did that change?



One of the big reason I dont play on PC is this subscription mess Steam, gwg, uplay orgin etc. Having said that even if ea access is available on PS4 I wouldn't subscribe to it, I would any day choose PS+ offering, just last month got Battlefront for $7 and this month need for speed for the same price $7, now Dragon age is $8. And to be honest 6 months back when i first subscribed to PS+, I was kind of pissed at free games offered and only note worthy games were Journey and Everybody's gone to rapture rest were all indies, but i did collect them all, and once I gave one of the indie try,( gone home ) every free game offered has been fucking amazing currently stopped playing witcher 3 in favor of Stories The Path of destinies.

Also the reason I think Ea access is not offered on PS4 is that like PS+ sony wants the benefit to be shared between PS4, Ps3 and Psvita. Which I think many Xbox one user are omitting the fact that ea access is exclusive to one platform.



SanAndreasX said:

d21lewis said

Burnout Paradise is one of the "free" games this month. There was a free NBA 2K weekend recently. I think Titanfall 2 was free for a weekend, too (on a different note, Call of Duty should be free for a few days soon, too). 

I thought the 2K series was Take-Two, not EA. Did that change?

Son of a... You're right. I don't play sports games. 😥



d21lewis said:
DonFerrari said:

I can say what I suppose.

At the time EA Access was started EA put MS and Sony to bid and MS won, so Sony just made that remark out of spite after losing.

Or the even more plausible. EA demanded that most of the cut made from the games on EA Access discount plan to be made to EA because it would be their game and their service. So you get free games on EA Access that would compete with the sale of PSN and also the discounts that when made through EA Access wouldn't be made on PSN.

So altough it isn't less value to PS customers to have EA Access it almost certainly is less money to Sony.

I guess that makes sense. And it's not like Sony needs the service.

Unlike a lot of others, I don't think there is any real bad blood between the companies. When it comes to sports games, you either work with EA or you don't have sports (aside from MLB). Some say that's a large part of what killed the Dreamcast and WiiU. 

*Edit* This makes me wonder, though. Is PlayStation Now profitable? I mean, I could use the service on my TV with no console right now, if I wanted to. Meanwhile EA Access needs a console for full game downloads. I'd still need PS+ to play any EA games online. And is it costing M$ money competing with any of their services?

So many questions....

Sony is on the lead so they don't need to employ as many power and goodwill to sell better so that may be the reason MS were more willing to give ways for EA.

Yes I know about people saying lack of Fifa and the like being a reason fro Dreamcast dismiss, but on Saturn I remember Sega versions of sport games being quite sucessful.

I believe PS Now is profitable, but I haven't the slightest idea on how much. And yep you need PS+ to play EA games online (but some games are exempt from this clause, like f2p and mmo), and probably cost money (or diminish revenue) for MS to have EA access.



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