When Steve Balmer was CEO, Xbox was at its peak. Sure, it still came in 3rd, but it made them money. Any shareholder complaints were about the division still not seeing a profit OVERALL after a full decade.  Still, it was making them money at that time. We heard those complaints getting louder, and even Bill Gates confirm he'd be fine if Xbox was sold or spun off, when Xbox stumbled out the gate and continued to not gain much steam. This gen they'll come in 2nd, but it'll be at 1/2 the numbers the 360 pulled in, maybe less. And really, MS taking Xbox off of some of their products near the start of the gen, while pushing Windows 10 at E3 more than Xbox and basically taking away all Xbox exclusives to pad out their Windows game store, aren't exactly good signs for the Xbox brand.

Also, I wouldn't consider new HW revisions anything meaningful. The Slim is a way to cut costs. It was always going to happen, even if it was just to benefit MS. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Scorpio is pushed as much as, if not more, a Windows 10 machine than as a Xbox.  And if that does poorly, it most definitely will perform worse than the Pro, I seriously think MS is going to rethink releasing a new Xbox for next gen. Sony is guaranteed to release a PS5, with the success of PS4 and the PS name being added to some of its products.

Sony pass by a ton of bragging opportunities.  I guess they're just content with dominating and breaking records.  They were a gracious loser to Nintendo last gen but a gracious winner this gen.  Sony just ooze class.  

Even with this i think the PS4 is down WW from Nov 2015. Last year when Sony released their sales PR they stated that the PS4 was up for the holiday YOY but this year they only talked about being up during BF so if they were up for Nov as a whole i would have expected them to talk about the growth like last year.

I am annoyed by the lack of common sense. You got me.

But that LMAO was genuine. How can anybody claim doom with one NPD which covers only the US. I find it extremely funny. Do you make these claims everytime a NPD is down YoY? Jan '15 NPD , PS4 down 30%, consoles doomed. Sept '15 NPD, PS4 down 210k, consoles doomed. 

And I have answered your question about Pro, multiple times. Pro increased sales worldwide, PS4 had its best Black Friday week Worldwide ever in the history of Playstation and sold over 50M to consumers and on its way to selling more than last year.

You obviously want to concentrate on one market and one month to help you squash all those puzzle pieces together to make you picture. 

Or perhaps, Sony is still waiting until the end of the year to assess the YOY increase/decrease? Just because there is a lack of immediacy doesn't mean Sony doesn't have anything nice to talk about. Based on Sony's previously announced sold-through figures, it's likely that the PS4 is up YOY or flat worldwide this year vs last year. Of course, everything depends on how much it sells December.

Hey I could be wrong here but wernt you the guy that predicted in 2014 MS would drop XBOX by the end of 2015 and that the race would then be between Sony and Nintendo moving forward? Apologies if it wasnt you but I just have a recollection of sorts.

Doubt it. Why didnt they just wait til the year is over? They could have waited 1 month and given numbers. They know there going to be down so they released numbers near BF because its the best one the PS4 has had.

Sony didn't do that last year either. It released sold-through numbers near the end of November and again after 2015 ended. So there's actually a precedent that goes against your argument. Also, 50 million is a nice even number to brag about a milestone.