spemanig said:
I was extremely suprised by that number until I realised that you were including Ultra Beasts, which are not legendary Pokemon no matter what you call them. That's like calling Mega Evolutions "legendary Pokemon." Ultra Beasts are something else. |
We are not in agreement on that topic.
| spemanig said: I really have no expectations. GF showed with XY that they really aren't afraid to move drastically backwards or off the rails, so there's no predicting what will come of Get 8. Another expectation is that they are going to mess up Sinnoh, and that'll piss me up because they were the best Pokemon games. |
You think they'll mess up Sinnoh? How?
I just want the national dex, the ability to rebattle trainers (like gen 2-4, and the remakes) including leaders and special characters, and real evolutions/baby forms to previous gen Pokémon.
Jpcc86 said:
We are not in agreement on that topic. |
...I don't understand. That's not an opinion. It doesn't matter if we don't "agree" lol.
They are common Pokemon just like a Butterfree or an Electabuzz, just from another demension. That's why there are so many Nihilego in the Ultra dimension. The only reason they are so powerful is because of their exposure to the Ultra Wormhole energy. Their natural stats are likely far more modest. It's the same thing that happens to Totem Pokemon and Lusamine. UBs are more powerful because they've been exposed to it longer. Same with Beast Boost. It's an unnatural side effect of extended exposure to the Ultra Wormhole. You know, like how Mega Evolution unnaturally powers up common Pokemon to legendary levels.
None of this is speculation. The game explicitely tells you this. Ultra Beasts aren't legendary Pokemon.
| StarOcean said: You think they'll mess up Sinnoh? How? |
By making unessecary changes. FRLG/HGSS were such great remakes because they were supplementary. ORAS arbitrarily changed things like Mauville or the changes done to the characters in Teams Magma and Aqua.
spemanig said:
...I don't understand. That's not an opinion. It doesn't matter if we don't "agree" lol. They are common Pokemon just like a Butterfree or an Electabuzz, just from another demension. That's why there are so many Nihilego in the Ultra dimension. The only reason they are so powerful is because of their exposure to the Ultra Wormhole energy. Their natural stats are likely far more modest. It's the same thing that happens to Totem Pokemon and Lusamine. UBs are more powerful because they've been exposed to it longer. Same with Beast Boost. It's an unnatural side effect of extended exposure to the Ultra Wormhole. You know, like how Mega Evolution unnaturally powers up common Pokemon to legendary levels. None of this is speculation. The game explicitely tells you this. Ultra Beasts aren't legendary Pokemon. |
They may not be reffered to as "legendary" for narrative reasons, to fit a story, but they are build a such. Just check their overall status, its the same as any legendary group of Pokemon of any other game in the franchise. That is not an opinion either. For me, that argument outweights "they are called differently for story reasons". Either way then lets just say the point I wanted to make is "I dont want so many overpowered/special pokemon" cause thats in the end what I meant. I rather they focus on pokemon you have to work with, train, evolve and turn strong, instead of just capture one that is already stronger than most.
spemanig said:
...I don't understand. That's not an opinion. It doesn't matter if we don't "agree" lol. They are common Pokemon just like a Butterfree or an Electabuzz, just from another demension. That's why there are so many Nihilego in the Ultra dimension. The only reason they are so powerful is because of their exposure to the Ultra Wormhole energy. Their natural stats are likely far more modest. It's the same thing that happens to Totem Pokemon and Lusamine. UBs are more powerful because they've been exposed to it longer. Same with Beast Boost. It's an unnatural side effect of extended exposure to the Ultra Wormhole. You know, like how Mega Evolution unnaturally powers up common Pokemon to legendary levels. None of this is speculation. The game explicitely tells you this. Ultra Beasts aren't legendary Pokemon. |
To me, one who doesn't really care about the story and lore, they may aswell be since from a gameplay standpoint they function exactly the same. Only one per game, genderless & unbreedable, guaranteed 3 perfect IVs, really high base stats, etc. Definitely doesn't work the same as Butterfree.
| Jpcc86 said: They may not be reffered to as "legendary" for narrative reasons, to fit a story, but they are build a such. Just check their overall status, its the same as any legendary group of Pokemon of any other game in the franchise. That is not an opinion either. For me, that argument outweights "they are called differently for story reasons". Either way then lets just say the point I wanted to make is "I dont want so many overpowered/special pokemon" cause thats in the end what I meant. I rather they focus on pokemon you have to work with, train, evolve and turn strong, instead of just capture one that is already stronger than most. |
They are not referred to as legendary because they are not legendary. All that matters are story reasons. That's not contestible. I just explained to you exactly what they are. Take a common Tentacruel, turn it Mega, and throw it into another dimension. That's essentially all Ultra Beasts amount to. Like I said, if Ultra Beasts are legendary, so are Megas. Mega's aren't, and neither are Ultra Beasts. UBs are placed where they are because they have to be put somewhere and they aren't normal Pokemon. They are different, but different from legendaries too.
As for your second point, I never understood that point of view. You're not meant to catch and train every Pokemon. UBs, legendaries, Megas, etc exist for world building. You don't have to catch/train them. The Tapus give Alola a personality distinct from other regions. Mega's gave Kalos a personality distinct from other regions. Having a lot of Pokemon you are personaly uninterested in owning shouldn't impede on your enjoyment of a game with an ecology dominated by Pokemon that don't fit those descriptions.
Now I don't think trainers should be able to catch legendaries or hold more than one in their party because the way they've been handled is riddiculous, but I'd rather have a lot of new legendaries than less.
Einsam_Delphin said:
To me, one who doesn't really care about the story and lore, they may aswell be since from a gameplay standpoint they function exactly the same. Only one per game, genderless & unbreedable, guaranteed 3 perfect IVs, really high base stats, etc. Definitely doesn't work the same as Butterfree. |
Your wording is much better than mine, but thats exactly what I meant. Semantics is not the argument to have. :p
Jpcc86 said:
Your wording is much better than mine, but thats exactly what I meant. Semantics is not the argument to have. :p |
Definitely not legendaries, I have to agree with spemanig in that. I'd say it's factually, not an opinion. There's not one UB per game. I have 4 Xurketree on my PC, for a start. They're just regular Pokemon from an alternate dimension, powered up because of them crossing to the "Pokemon" dimension.
What I'm not sure is (at least, I haven't read anything in game which states that, msybe I havent't noticed) if UB are Pokemon. I mean, they come from an alternate dimension, Pokemon word maybe doesn't even exist in the Ultradimension.
EDIT: 4 Kartana, sorry XD.
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