What a differnce a day makes..... PSX happended, and yeah I dont think theres any tipping point.
PS4 has the gen in the bag so to speak.
Considering their shift to have the games on PC I'm not sure what kind of tipping you are referring.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
| Mummelmann said: I've been saying for a few years that I think Xbox One might "win" NA, been doubting it this year but since fall and until now, it's looking like a real possibility, especially with Scorpio still looming on the horizon and PS4 Slim and Pro not setting the world afire quite as much as many seemed to believe they would. As for global; just no. Xbox is irrelvant in all of Asia and pretty niche in most of EU, besides the UK. Too many big markets that ignore it. |
Win in which aspect? PS4 is still selling more than X1... and considering that Pro haven't been sold a lot it's quite clear people are choosing price over specs which have always been in vg history, so I really don't see Scorpio doing much better being the most expensive of the 4.
| Madword said: I'm not convinced that Scorpio will do it, unless they focus on 1080p and frame rates/graphical fidelity. I think Sony did mess up by not really having a solid plan what the Pro was for, they are obviously aiming for 4K gaming, but really should have made sure that 1080p users were rewarded (I don't have a 4k TV and will unlikely until 2018-2019). I think that'll be the case in 2017, and if they do, then I think the differences between Pro and Scorpio will be minimal and the cost difference considerable. |
PS4Pro already offer you a lot of improvements as a 1080p screen owner... but if you are talking about fps, then Scorpio won't probably bring much to you since most expect the same CPU architeture of X1 and we saw that PS4Pro even after going from 1.6 to 2.1 or 2.3Ghz (the limit of the CPU as far as we know) didn't improve much the fps performance.
KBG29 said:
I have faith that one day these companies and general consumers are going to wake up and stop getting robbed. I work for a very big US company, and they just spent $1000's on PC's that have half the RAM, Half the CPU, and about 1/4 the GPU power of the XBO. These brand new PC's have too little RAM and too little GPU to propperly run the graphics intense software that is vital to our daily operation. They spent over $800 on each unit, and are still running extreamly inefficient. They could have made a deal with Microsoft to run their programs on Xbox One, and bought a fleet of identical devices for everyone in the company, and still spent less in the end. In addition they would not be having the problems they are having right now with different business units having different PC's which is causing even more problems getting everyone reliable and consistent access to the programs. Instead of wasting time trying to fix the programs to run on multiple and underpowered expensive PC's, they could be streamlining the programs to be more efficient, and driving up productivity and innovation within the company. |
You probably work for the company with the worse IT people and lousy controller I ever heard.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
CGI-Quality said:
I think it is important to look at the broader picture. The "tipping point" is not just in regards to "catching up" to the PS4. Rather, this is the year the Xbox One really saw itself back on the map. With Microsoft timing price cuts with key releases and offering extremely competitive deals, they ensured people didn't forget that the machine still existed, while also opening the door to new possibilities with the both the X1S and Scorpio. They were also able to capitalize on a narrative about 4K Blu-ray (no matter how much people minimize this). Perception is important, even if, down the road, that proves to be less of deciding factor regarding a potential purchase. |
Their image is better than it was in 2015... thats true.
However after seeing PSX, Im left feeling "yep sony just layed the smack down".
Their still halting along, at a slower pace than their competition.
The games the PS4 has comeing... its future looks so much brighter than the XB1's.
JRPGfan said:
Their image is better than ever!. However after seeing PSX, Im left feeling " Their still halting nothing,. The games the XB1 has comeing... its future looks so much brighter than the PS4's. |
I full agree!
User was warned for this post ~ CGI
MS did a great job with Xone since launch with the best games in this gen!
Ryse Son of Rome
Dead Rising 3
Forza 5
Forza 6
Titanfall
Halo Master Chief collection
Halo 5
Gears of war Ultimate
Sunset Overdrive
State of decay
Forza Horizon 2
Quantum Break
Killer instinct
Rare Replay
Forza Horizon 3
Recore
Gears of War 4
Ori......
Coming:
State of Decay 2
Halo Wars 2
Crackdown
Dead Rising 4
Scalebound
undefined forza game "destruction derby/ twisted metall"
KBG29 said:
I have faith that one day these companies and general consumers are going to wake up and stop getting robbed. I work for a very big US company, and they just spent $1000's on PC's that have half the RAM, Half the CPU, and about 1/4 the GPU power of the XBO. These brand new PC's have too little RAM and too little GPU to propperly run the graphics intense software that is vital to our daily operation. They spent over $800 on each unit, and are still running extreamly inefficient. They could have made a deal with Microsoft to run their programs on Xbox One, and bought a fleet of identical devices for everyone in the company, and still spent less in the end. In addition they would not be having the problems they are having right now with different business units having different PC's which is causing even more problems getting everyone reliable and consistent access to the programs. Instead of wasting time trying to fix the programs to run on multiple and underpowered expensive PC's, they could be streamlining the programs to be more efficient, and driving up productivity and innovation within the company. |
What on earth? If the Xbox One had a decent processor, this would maaaaaaaaaaybe be a discussion. It doesn't. It's marginal for gaming, one of the primary limitations of the 8th gen of consoles as the PS4 also has this limitation. It was a default-chosen poison because the big AMD cores were too hot/power hungry to be an option in 2013, and only just now are the much-awaited 'Zen' CPUs around the corner for 2017 release.
The Jaguar is fundamentally an 8-core 'netbook' level processor with abysmal performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/3
The Kabini is the Jaguar with 2 or 4 cores, along with a weaker iGPU. But the benchmarks let us see what it would be like as a PC processor. Even a 16-core Jaguar would be agonizing to use as a desktop CPU. You can see the 4-core Athlon 5350 (Jaguar Quad) getting edged out by the 1.6Ghz Pentium 2160 in IPC, and despite 2 cores vs 4 cores, also being beaten by the Core 2 Duo E8400 in multi-thread testing. The Core i3 3220, another dual-core, beats the 2Ghz Jaguar Quad by a bit more than double, which means that an 8-Core Jaguar would still lose to that i3 from 2012. YES : A dual-core from 2012 is faster than an 8-Core Jaguar.
What's really bad is that now, you can get a good deal on a 6th-gen i5 or i7 Quad-Core (easily 3x faster than that 2012 i3) in a system with 8GB of Ram for far less than the money you're talking about. Add a $140 GTX950, and you have massively more power available, along with the capability to Run 6gbps Sata3, 20Gbps M.2 nvme, USB 3.1/C, Raid. Triple Monitor outputs, etc/etc/etc.
The only thing the X1 or PS4 could do with a desktop OS is be a somewhat clunky/slow HTPC or web browsing system. As a business workstation they would be below absymal. Any time you can look at a 4-year old i3 having more performance capability, that's just too weak to be competitive. Who on earth greenlit $800+ for PCs that don't have at least that level of performance?
This is a Quad-Core, Eight-Thread i7 PC with 16GB DDR4, 1TB HDD, M.2 SSD Port, with Nvidia GT730, for $699 that would utterly annihilate the X1/PS4 : http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/desktops/hp-pavilion-510st-desktop-pc-v9a74aa-aba-pc
And that was just the first thing I clicked on from the HP web page. Adding the GTX950 would give it hugely more GPU power than an X1 as well for not much more. There are also far better deals if you build to order yourself from Amazon.
| Jigsawx1 said: MS did a great job with Xone since launch with the best games in this gen! Coming: State of Decay 2 Halo Wars 2 Crackdown Dead Rising 4 Scalebound undefined forza game "destruction derby/ twisted metall" |
The last guardian
Horizon: Zero Dawn
God of War 4
Gravity Rush 2
Yakuza 0
Yakuza 6
Persona 5
Star Trek - Bridge crew
GT Sports
Spiderman
Detroit Become Human
Final Fantasy 7 remake
Days Gone
Deaths Stranding
Nioh
Knack 2
Ys - Origin (its on pc too)
What Remains of Edith Finch
MLB The Show 17
Wipeout - omega collection (does this count?)
Danganronpa 1&2 reloaded
Danganronpa 3
Tales of Berseria
Ace Combat 7
Berserk and the band of the hawk
Crash Bandicoot - N.sane Triology
Last of Us - part 2
Ni No Kuni 2
and Im probably missing tons more, that you wont be able to play on a xbox one, that are comeing to the PS4.
| Nuvendil said: This seems a bit premature. Xbox did a bang up job last holiday too and then it uranium anvil right afterwards because low and behold fire sales are not sustainable indefinitely and people have been trained by MS themselves to not buy the Xbone at regular prices and regular bundles. So let's see if it maintains momentum or plummets again. |
This. xbox has always sold good on the holiday
Let's talk about MS tipping or improvements, no need to say PS4 is best
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
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