SE already mention they are going multi platform with the realse of the crystal tools engine.  Why wouldn't they make FF14 multi platform just a little extra programing and boom you got more money for a game that works on more consoles.

Crystal tools may make it easy to port but a game that is tweaked to take advantage of all the PS3's unique hardware (i.e. stuff that's radically different from the 360) still isn't going to translate easily or well. FFXIII is in all likelihood such a game.

And you are going down for the PS3/dreamcast comparisons. I'll give the good Colonel first shot as I'm at work.

They ported a PPC designed game to X86 then back to PPC on FFXI.  I doubt there gonna have any problem porting PPC to another PPC based architech.  They also state about the Next MMORPG which may have a title final fantasy if it does I think they would gain a lot of profit from a multi platform, due to the monthly fee once the base of the game is created expansion packs will work as if one is writen for all 3 systems.

 

And the reason i compared PS3 to dreamcast is because dreamcast fell due to having no exclusive/titles at launch and also fell because of lack of popularity due to bad marketing.

Don't get me wrong i own both a PS3 and dreamcast.  I have to say sonic and dreamcast was far better graphics then any ps2 game that came out that year, though they fall later because of bad marketing.

I think PS3 isn't doing so geat atm about the marketing part but they seem to be getting better at it, i still think they will fall last because 360 seems to be faster and better with graphics, but who knows ps2 sucked when it first came out because people didn't know how to write code for the emotion engine chipset, but God of war looks quite amazing compared to earlier games.  Maybe the Cell processor still has it touch on winning on being faster and better, though using rambus based ram it has also that small disadvantage since cpu and ram corspond together.

Sorry for the spell I typing this fast atm because I got to go do something.

@Final-Fan - So you are telling me that if a publisher/developer could avoid printing discs and avoid shipping costs, it would be a bad idea. They either make more profit, make the game cheaper, or both. Everyone wins except the un-needed middle person. Not sure what your point is about hardware. Any company would sell hardware. Walmart would sell hardware. Look at Steam. It works. Also not sure what your point was about the interview. The vp was obviously aware that Sony had plans to have a long shelf-life for the PS3.

JaggedSac said: @Final-Fan - So you are telling me that if a publisher/developer could avoid printing discs and avoid shipping costs, it would be a bad idea. They either make more profit, make the game cheaper, or both. Everyone wins except the un-needed middle person. Not sure what your point is about hardware. Any company would sell hardware. Walmart would sell hardware. Look at Steam. It works. Also not sure what your point was about the interview. The vp was obviously aware that Sony had plans to have a long shelf-life for the PS3.

OK, let me lay it out: 
1.  The current retail setup for video game consoles is that retailers make practically no money on console sales.  They get their profits from game sales. 
2.  How do you think they will react to a console manufacturer saying, "OK guys, we're not going to be selling games through you anymore, but please keep devoting huge shelf space to our console anyway"?  They might just retaliate by dropping that console in favor of other ones.  On the other hand, they might just jack up the price on the console to make a profit on it. 
2b.  PC gaming doesn't have this problem because retailers don't have the same incentive -- PC sales turn a profit without the help of games.  And for an example of retailers dropping a console, I give you the Saturn.  (It was for a different reason, but still.)  I believe Wal-mart was one of the ones that shunned the Saturn in retaliation for not being one of the launch retailers. 

As for the interview, I find it hard to believe you truly do not understand that as a VP of Microsoft, his job is not to answer interview questions with evenhanded thoughtful analysis but to offer analysis that makes Microsoft look good and for bonus points makes everyone else look bad.  Besides which, only one of the questions was even remotely on point to this discussion and if I recall correctly he didn't even say anything substantial.  Just fluff that sounded confident about the 360. 

lost soul in bliss said: They ported a PPC designed game to X86 then back to PPC on FFXI. I doubt there gonna have any problem porting PPC to another PPC based architech. They also state about the Next MMORPG which may have a title final fantasy if it does I think they would gain a lot of profit from a multi platform, due to the monthly fee once the base of the game is created expansion packs will work as if one is writen for all 3 systems.

Oh, you mean when they ported it from the least powerful system of the generation to a much more powerful system (Xbox) and a vastly more powerful platform (PC)?  I can see why you'd say that was exactly the sameas porting to a system that's somewhat arguably less powerful overall and certainly less powerful in certain respects. 

My point with FFXIII is mainly that there are some things the PS3 simply is better at doing than the 360, and if FFXIII pushes the PS3 hardware at those tasks it's going to be very hard to find a way to make the 360 try to keep up without seriouslydumbing down whatever those things are.  And I think it's fair to say that FFXIII is going to be taking as much advantage of the PS3 hardware as it can. 

Unless I'm mistaken, MMORPGs are not known for pushing the envelope of their chosen hardware, sometimes precisely for the reason that they're always spread across as many platforms as possible. 

lost soul in bliss said: And the reason i compared PS3 to dreamcast is because dreamcast fell due to having no exclusive/titles at launch and also fell because of lack of popularity due to bad marketing.

I think it's clear that the PS3 is not going to be anything like the Dreamcast in terms of success/failure (it's already past the DC's lifetime sales and only seems to be gaining strength).  Add that to the fact that the Dreamcast is perhaps most famous for being the kiss of death for SEGA as a hardware company and I hope you can understand why your comparison would be seen as inflammatory. 

Also, didn't the Dreamcast have an amazing first year lineup?  I mean, I didn't own the system then, but I'm pretty sure I've heard that. 

lost soul in bliss said: Don't get me wrong i own both a PS3 and dreamcast. I have to say sonic and dreamcast was far better graphics then any ps2 game that came out that year, though they fall later because of bad marketing. I think PS3 isn't doing so geat atm about the marketing part but they seem to be getting better at it, i still think they will fall last because 360 seems to be faster and better with graphics, but who knows ps2 sucked when it first came out because people didn't know how to write code for the emotion engine chipset, but God of war looks quite amazing compared to earlier games. Maybe the Cell processor still has it touch on winning on being faster and better, though using rambus based ram it has also that small disadvantage since cpu and ram corspond together. Sorry for the spell I typing this fast atm because I got to go do something.

The PS3 has certainly been legendary for horrible marketing.  That's pretty undeniable. 

However, I don't think I understand your point about XDR being inferior to GDDR3 because XDR and the CPU "correspond together".  Please elaborate.  Also, are you aware of the much lower latency of the memory in the PS3?  (Contrary to the high latency of past forms of Rambus memory.)

Squilliam said: Metal gear has appeared on the Xbox 1 before, Kojima seems to want to express his artistic vision on the best technology. I think this is a distinct possibility. Also depends on the sales, this is a very expensive game to develop and the next one even more so. Relies on massive sales to payback massive costs. FFXIV - Has never been on the Xbox before, but rising costs could force the developers hand into releasing this one multiplatform. Furthermore low sales in Japan means that they would want to seek the widest market possible in what is becoming a niche genre. The Xbox dominates the english speaking gaming market. The obvious choice for a port. Depends on the sales of FFXIII. GTVI? - Im not sure, since sony doesn't own the company it's up to them. The lure of money could do it though.

1. Xbox 360 wouldn't be able to handle Gran Turismo 5 (lets be honest here), so what makes you think it could take on Gran Turismo 6??

2. Metal Gear Solid 4 is having to be compressed to fit on a Blu Ray disk (at least i've heard), so do you really think they'd release MGS5 on a 5 disk DVD set? After each mission you'd get a message saying "please insert next disk"

3. Well i don't know much about the history of Final Fantasy. But i'm pretty sure unless FF13 bombs, #14 will not be on 360.

Squilliam said: Metal gear has appeared on the Xbox 1 before, Kojima seems to want to express his artistic vision on the best technology. I think this is a distinct possibility. Also depends on the sales, this is a very expensive game to develop and the next one even more so. Relies on massive sales to payback massive costs. FFXIV - Has never been on the Xbox before, but rising costs could force the developers hand into releasing this one multiplatform. Furthermore low sales in Japan means that they would want to seek the widest market possible in what is becoming a niche genre. The Xbox dominates the english speaking gaming market. The obvious choice for a port. Depends on the sales of FFXIII. GTVI? - Im not sure, since sony doesn't own the company it's up to them. The lure of money could do it though.

1. Xbox 360 wouldn't be able to handle Gran Turismo 5 (lets be honest here), so what makes you think it could take on Gran Turismo 6??

2. Metal Gear Solid 4 is having to be compressed to fit on a Blu Ray disk (at least i've heard), so do you really think they'd release MGS5 on a 5 disk DVD set? After each mission you'd get a message saying "please insert next disk"

3. Well i don't know much about the history of Final Fantasy. But i'm pretty sure unless FF13 bombs, #14 will not be on 360.

FFXIV is unlikely to come to any console other than the PS3. #60 has more prospects of getting it than the wii though because one of FF's core components are graphics and cinematics ( these are usually the best graphics on the console they appear on at the time) and as a true FF fan who owns and loves every one from vii-xii, I can say that I'll be extremely disappointed in SE if the graphics of XIV are worse than XIII. So maybe a 360 port but definitely not for wii as this would be insulting to hardcore fans that SE dumbed down FF to sell to casual gamers!

As for the person who said that DQ went to handheld, remember that DQ has never  really sold well outside Japan and it was never about graphics. Just check out DQ8 for pS2 

 

MGS ends after 4

GT belongs to sony 

coolestguyever said: Squilliam said: Metal gear has appeared on the Xbox 1 before, Kojima seems to want to express his artistic vision on the best technology. I think this is a distinct possibility. Also depends on the sales, this is a very expensive game to develop and the next one even more so. Relies on massive sales to payback massive costs. FFXIV - Has never been on the Xbox before, but rising costs could force the developers hand into releasing this one multiplatform. Furthermore low sales in Japan means that they would want to seek the widest market possible in what is becoming a niche genre. The Xbox dominates the english speaking gaming market. The obvious choice for a port. Depends on the sales of FFXIII. GTVI? - Im not sure, since sony doesn't own the company it's up to them. The lure of money could do it though. 1. Xbox 360 wouldn't be able to handle Gran Turismo 5 (lets be honest here), so what makes you think it could take on Gran Turismo 6?? 2. Metal Gear Solid 4 is having to be compressed to fit on a Blu Ray disk (at least i've heard), so do you really think they'd release MGS5 on a 5 disk DVD set? After each mission you'd get a message saying "please insert next disk" 3. Well i don't know much about the history of Final Fantasy. But i'm pretty sure unless FF13 bombs, #14 will not be on 360.

I was talking about the Next Xbox! Read the title pleaseo?