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BraLoD said:
Wright said:

This thing they're doing is breaking my heart. I would have prefer Capcom going the Legend of Dragoon route and never making a sequel, if this was to be the result.

Did you like Dead Rising 2?

Yeah, Dead Rising 2 was great.



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BraLoD said:
Wright said:

Yeah, Dead Rising 2 was great.

So no, you wouldn't like Capcom going LoD style, you already got a great second game.

And what I'm supposed to do afterwards. D: Would you like if you get a great sequel to LoD, then get two musou games as third and fourth entry?



Wright said:
KLXVER said:

I love the Original Dead Rising, but the stuff you mentioned I wont miss much.

Survivors cannot be escorted - I wont miss escort missions in any video game.
Foods are like instant healthpacks -
Good. Now I can eat an orange to refill my health instead of waiting through 5 eating animations.
Maniacs replace psychopaths
- So they changed the name of the bad guys... Ok.
No Frank original voice actor
- The original voice actor was great, but Frank doesnt look like Frank anymore, so fair enough.
Zombies aren't more aggressive at night
- I dont even remember them being very agressive during the night in the first game. Their eyes just become red.
No time limit
- Great. Now we can actually do some exploring and have fun doing what we want.
No save locations
- Thank god. Cant tell you how annoying it was playing for hours, forgetting to save, die and then have to do hours of work again.

 

Alright, I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt for a second and assume you have more rights to get what you want than me (not saying it as an attack of any sort, mind you, just bear with me in this exercise); I'll just make a quick revision of what you just said.

Survivors cannot be escorted - Alright, you don't like this in any videogame. Fair enough.

Foods are like instant healthpacks. - The point of an eating animation is giving you a delay while healing yourself. It's so that there's challenge so that you can't just heal in the middle of combat. Hello casualization of the game, it's starting over here. Oh, by the way, no mixers/cooking either, because why would anyone want those, right?

Maniacs replace psychopaths. - The point that clearly demonstrated you didn't see the video, and don't know any info regarding to this. It's not a change of name. Psychopaths, meaning bosses with cutscenes when you fight them and when you kill them, are gone. Maniacs are introduced, and they're merely a random encounter NPC that has more health than your usual enemy, plus some special weapon that makes you damage. You fight these like any other normal enemy in the game.

No Frank original voice actor. - I mean, if you're not going to complain about how Frank looks nothing like Frank and he has freaking got young with the times, then I guess there's no point in complaining about his voice. Maybe... you should complain about both? I dunno, just saying.

Zombies at night. - They were, but don't worry, for the sake of casualization, they're gone. Now there's like one random stronger zombie from time to time and some random Maniac as well.

No time limit. - The golden point, I guess. No time limit means the original narrative structure of Dead Rising is gone, forever. The time limit was never there for the sake of screwing with the player (it orientated to replayability, which that's something you can take issue I suppose); so the philosophy design behind the whole franchise is also gone forever. What happens here, then? Well the result is getting something like Dead Rising 3, which not only failed to provide one good reason for why the timer was there in the first place (seriously, the timer there is the proof that Capcom Vancouver has no clue what they're doing), forget about doing the "be at the correct place at the correct moment", which propelled the plot in Dead Rising 1 and 2 and was the whole point of the game. Forget about any challenge of some sort. Hello massive casualization and broken narrative, you're what people demanded all along. Congratulations on ruining it for the rest of us who wanted the traditional structure intact.

No save locations. - Because gaming can't give the excitement of not dying before you save anymore. Let's fed up checkpoints literally every five minutes, YAY!

Gold post.

 

OT: I love Dead Rising 1 and 2. Therefore, I'm not optimistic about them changing everything.



BraLoD said:

Would like getting anything.

I would probably bash Sony with huge criticism if it wasn't good, but 17 years later and the damn thing being treated like it never even existed... yeah, anything new seeing the light of the day would be better, even more if I get a guaranteed second great game, fuck yes, please.

I think you're speaking out of frustration for not getting anything but silence. Which I can honestly understand, but I think you'd be as equally disenchanted with it if after getting a great sequel the developer starts fucking it up like crazy.



I think the thing that bugs me the most about this video is the devs talk in a way that would suggest they made the first game and are going back to their roots with #4. (Despite apparently just making a generic zombie game with a caricature of an old protag instead.)



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KLXVER said:
Seems more like Capcom listened to people and removed the shitty parts of Dead Rising.

I was going to say that. I liked DR despite some of its flaws (Brain dead NPCs, time limits that stifled any exploration). Im more interested in DR4, now.



BraLoD said:

If they bring it back just to screw it, yes, would be better to let it untouched, even as it would be at least a burst of happiness when it was announced. But if I'm getting at least another great game coming, I would pick it. I would rather have two games to love but some to hate than just one to love, in the end having more good games is always better.

There's a point where the overwhelming negative factors that they're adding with these new sequels get to me, I don't know. Again, I think you're looking at it from the perspective of not having anything but silence. And yeah, two games and something to hate is better than just one game and nothing, in theory, but when a developer that misses the point keeps screwing with not only the core elements, but also messing up with the canon (like (Dead Rising spoiler, dunno if you care about these) making a classic, important main character a villain out-of-nowhere during the final ten seconds of the game for a very, very terrible and really dumb plot twist), and you see that the focus is even harder than ever to destroy these classic elements despite the developer saying over and over "going back to the roots!", then...I don't know. All I can wish is that they stop, honestly. They won't, and that's infuriating.



d21lewis said:
KLXVER said:
Seems more like Capcom listened to people and removed the shitty parts of Dead Rising.

I was going to say that. I liked DR despite some of its flaws (Brain dead NPCs, time limits that stifled any exploration). Im more interested in DR4, now.

But...I used to love you, d21lewis. Why must you hurt me this way.



Wright said:
d21lewis said:

I was going to say that. I liked DR despite some of its flaws (Brain dead NPCs, time limits that stifled any exploration). Im more interested in DR4, now.

But...I used to love you, d21lewis. Why must you hurt me this way.

It was frustrating! I'm sorry!! I missed whole segments of gameplay because of that limit. :(



That's a shame, but it's not really surprising that handing it off to a western studio would eventually turn it into a very westernized game.

At least they ported the original to PS4!