RAZurrection said: PooperScooper said: RAZurrection said: I don't think you know what a holiday is. Well numbers go up tonight. We'll see whos right. May the best man win.  Who can say in the world of VGC? They change last weeks numbers when they update the new ones.

They already changed them to match the %increase that was reported for Easter sales. Since there has been no report saying otherwise numbers will not be changed.

jrix said: MikeB said: The exclusive episodes for the 360 are nice, but offers no real system selling potential. Free online multiplayer, free Home integration + DLC, no disc scratching / RRod worries, alledged better graphics for the PS3 version, no annoying drive noise, etc should be of greater importance. A PS2 GTA fan will probably prefer the PS3 controller which is very similar to the PS2 controller, also all major PS2 exclusives (Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, The Getaway, Jak & Daxter, God of War, etc, etc) are more or less all comfirmed to come to the PS3 exclusively. Really... Does nobody here see there are some very strong points to the advantage of the PS3 summarized above? IMO much stronger than the 2 non-free future espisodes nobody knows anything about and cheaper entry price (but lots of hidden costs as well as much lower entry specifications). umhh...better graphics? how do you know? just because is ps3?.. or is just your personal opinion.. ? if you compare the games that come out in both consoles you'll see that there is a clear winner and it isn't the ps3.

Dude, you're entitled to your opinion, and i may even agree with you, but he cited his sources, you may or may not beleive them, but don't act like he didn't post them, or go read the whole thread...

BTW, PS3 had inferior graphics, but as off COD4 (and specially Vegas2 where graphics are different but equally good) both systems are on par

There's a learning curve, and Ps3 devs are beggining to get how to do it

jrix said: MikeB said: The exclusive episodes for the 360 are nice, but offers no real system selling potential. Free online multiplayer, free Home integration + DLC, no disc scratching / RRod worries, alledged better graphics for the PS3 version, no annoying drive noise, etc should be of greater importance. A PS2 GTA fan will probably prefer the PS3 controller which is very similar to the PS2 controller, also all major PS2 exclusives (Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, The Getaway, Jak & Daxter, God of War, etc, etc) are more or less all comfirmed to come to the PS3 exclusively. Really... Does nobody here see there are some very strong points to the advantage of the PS3 summarized above? IMO much stronger than the 2 non-free future espisodes nobody knows anything about and cheaper entry price (but lots of hidden costs as well as much lower entry specifications). umhh...better graphics? how do you know? just because is ps3?.. or is just your personal opinion.. ? if you compare the games that come out in both consoles you'll see that there is a clear winner and it isn't the ps3.

I included a source above. With regard to multi-platform games, most are about on par (at least the recent more demanding ones) the biggest difference is with regard to Oblvion which looks much better on the PS3 than on the 360 (read my sig, they are only scratching the surface though). Current exclusive games do look better on the PS3 as well, multi-platform PS3 versions are improving, the 360 game engine design isn't ideal to port over to the PS3 but better results can be accomplished with some effort (redesign, which will benefit even the 360/PC version, but to a much lesser extend, ironically due to PS3 related redesign the 360 version benefits from this as well).

PS3 doesn't really handle 360 games well like PS2 handled Xbox games.

MikeB said: jrix said: MikeB said: The exclusive episodes for the 360 are nice, but offers no real system selling potential. Free online multiplayer, free Home integration + DLC, no disc scratching / RRod worries, alledged better graphics for the PS3 version, no annoying drive noise, etc should be of greater importance. A PS2 GTA fan will probably prefer the PS3 controller which is very similar to the PS2 controller, also all major PS2 exclusives (Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, The Getaway, Jak & Daxter, God of War, etc, etc) are more or less all comfirmed to come to the PS3 exclusively. Really... Does nobody here see there are some very strong points to the advantage of the PS3 summarized above? IMO much stronger than the 2 non-free future espisodes nobody knows anything about and cheaper entry price (but lots of hidden costs as well as much lower entry specifications). umhh...better graphics? how do you know? just because is ps3?.. or is just your personal opinion.. ? if you compare the games that come out in both consoles you'll see that there is a clear winner and it isn't the ps3. I included a source above. With regard to multi-platform games, most are about on par the biggest difference is with regard to Oblvion which looks much better on the PS3 than the 360 (read my sig, they are only scratching the surface though). Current exclusive games do look better on the PS3 as well, multi-platform PS3 versions are improving, the 360 game engine design isn't ideal to port over to the PS3 but better results can be accomplished with some effort (redesign, which will benefit even the 360/PC version, but to a much lesser extend, ironically due to PS3 related redesign the 360 version benefits from this as well).

Eurogamer just released an article on March 25th (their 10th in a series) comparing PS3 and 360 multiplatform games... I'll save everyone some time and sum up what they said...

Army of Two - 360 runs at 720p with anti-aliasing, PS3 version runs with a border and below 720p resolution and to add insult to injury it has no anti-aliasing.

Blacksite: Area 51 - They call the conversion of it to PS3 "horrifically, jaw-droppingly awful" and that the PS3 version is "ten times worse" than the already mediocre 360 version.

Lost Planet: Extreme Condition - They are surprised at the worse colour balance of the PS3 version as well as the "inclusion of horrible motion blur and some truly horrendous frame-rate drops" compared to the 360 version.

Conflict: Denied Ops - It's development must have led on the 360 because the PS3 version is substandard with frame rate drops, pared down visuals, and the anti-aliasing on the 360 version replaced with an indistinct blur on the PS3.

Dynasty Warriors 6 - They're surprised at the "love and attention" that the 360 gets at the hands of these developers since it's gameplay is identical to the PS3 version even though the Xbox 360 must contribute so little to KOEI's overall revenue. The only way to tell the games apart is that the pre-rendered video sequences look better on the PS3 thanks to Blu-Ray.

Lost: The Video Game - "The Xbox 360 version is considerably better than its Playstation 3 sibling. "The PS3 version definitely lags behind, not just in terms of refresh speed but also in the introduction of annoying screen tear which is far less prevalent on the Microsoft console. It's yet another game that 'benefits' from the PS3 Vaseline effect, whereby the 4x multi-sample anti-aliasing of the 360 game is replaced by a blur that attempts to simulate the same effect.".

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - Pretty much the same, they just mention that the 360 version scales up nicely.

So for those keeping track that's:

360 - 5
PS3 - 1
Tie - 1

source: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=128362

@legend, i don't want to quote you, too much space...
Yeah, it's true, most xbox360 games look better, most recent games look the same (exactly the same as in COD4 or equally good as in vegas2)
You know what that is called? a learning curve! xbox's been out 1 more year than the other consoles
Have you seen what the final PS2 games look like? (FFXII, GoW2) these are astonishingly beautiful for a console that was the less impressive of its generation.
both PS3 and XBOX360 will continue to get better, and we will barely notice the differences.. eccept for extra content and stuff like that

Ya they're learning on what to do about the PS3 ram limitations. So they started doing HDD installs, because of the slow Blu-Ray drive.

it might sell as much on 360 however more people will buy live

Omac said: Ya they're learning on what to do about the PS3 ram limitations. So they started doing HDD installs, because of the slow Blu-Ray drive.

The Blu-Ray drive is faster than the 360 drive on average, streaming is also constant and thus predictable.

Just take a look at Uncharted, no HD install time, no in-game loading, best looking console game to date, good varierty as well especially the upriver Jetski and Jeep chase sections are jaw dropping. You should check out this game and compare to 360 exclusives like Mass Effect plagued by the texture popups and framerate issues. With regard to future Naughty Dog games check my sig.

512 MB RAM is huge for an efficient console running optimised games, the PS3 has a default harddrive which provides a RAM advantage over the 360, compare with virtual memory on the PC. (also the 360 is designed to use the EDRAM which is really limited, best results in 600p with AA like in COD4 at 60 FPS, no need for tiling at this rendering resolutionm, which else limits performance dramatically going higher combined with AA)

In regards to Uncharted, there were still some textures popping in at a couple of points in the game from when I played it.