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Zoombael said:

You don't have a theory of God. Because you don't know any better. Apart from "indicators" for my little theory, i also said "i believe". You ingnored this little yet important part, only to ask preposterously if i have proof. Well knowing, if had, i wouldn't be writing about this subject in some video games forum only to let boredom pass by. Astrophysicists also don't have proof of a Multiverse, but it is indeed a valid theory scientists seriously consider. Do you know why? This is an answerable question.

Acting as obsessive as you and others are, you show the same behavior as religous people. Obstinate, unwilling to budge from the dogma you have inherited. Just like blind followers of outdated religions you insist to keep staring at old doctrines and withered books with blinders. Understandable. I can't really blame you. There aren't many options to choose from, and those existing don't provide all the answers, all the solutions. The option i have concocted doesn't either. I never claimed that. But i really like it. 

 

"The idea of gods is in no way different to that of superheroes, unicorns and the Santa Claus. "

You shouldn't project your defintion of God onto others. I know, the general notion of God is being a mystical bearded caucasian man sitting on a big chair between the clouds, one day snapping his finger, mumbling into his beard "let there be light", creating Earth within 24/6, Adam, Lilith, Eve, and so on and so forth. So to say. This image is dominating your mind, and the minds of many, not mine though.

 

"A being or beings who has feelings - love, hate, disappointment of himself (Christian god) - a being that processes ideas, stores information about how things are and should be, and has ideas, a conciousness, etc. where would those things be stored, happen and exist in a vast nothingness?"

You're doing it again. I repeat, this "nothingness" is a premise you insist on. I for one don't. So you should stop shoving the "nothingness" under my nose like it has to be a part of it all. It doesn't.

I'd say you should get yourself a thorough lecture in "the nature of our universe", "spacetime", "holographic principle/universe" and everthing else. I don't claim to comprehend it all and be able to see into the "beyond". Like i said, if i would, i wouldn't be sitting in my comfy chair, i wouldn't be a mere human. But at least, i am a mere human who tries to understand the world he lives in, instead of shutting my brain off, unwilling to learn and to think. 

And, besides "nothingness", my theory also doesn't include time travelling reptoids/aliens/future humans.

I am, who exists. I am, who is to come.

1) Anyone who comes forward and claims the Multiverse is real for a fact is no scientist.

2) I don't believe, I recognize possibilities and never, ever, call unproven assertions as facts. What you and I believe is irrelevant.

3) Those who talk in favor of the existance of the Multiverse have points, clues, indicators in favor of it, regardless of how these clues are not enough to call the Multiverse a fact. What are the clues for the existance of a god or gods? If you want to pass this idea of gods being behind anything, it having anything to do with the world around us as a theory then, what are those clues?

4) If gods are so different to Santa Claus, superheroes, etc. what is the difference? What does the idea in the existance - of any god or gods - have grounded on reality to even be considered differently to a fictional character, other than people believing they are real?

5) You don't know me. I read and watch matters of science every day, from the relatively recent findings on gravitational waves to HD 164595 research. You don't know me and what I know or don't know.

There is nothing, no tag behind a tree that says: "made by a god", no corner of space that has a sign that says: "the god's were here". There is no basis, no indicators to say that gods exist. The idea of gods is made from imagination, opinion and creativity with no basis grounded in reality.



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"Agnostic separates me from the conduct of atheists.."

As very clearly demonstrated by Nem in this thread. Most agnostics i know dont approach the topic in that way. There's a big difference between Atheists and Agnostics, perhaps more importantly than by definition but by practicality.

The very fact that you try so hard to push an Agnostic into an Atheist camp. An agnostic would never do that.



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