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Chazore on 02 November 2016
Captain_Yuri said:

Don't step into what?

Well you don't know much on the VA side of things like you pointed out earlier. 



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KLXVER on 02 November 2016
shikamaru317 said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, people who are in danger of dying when on job or get diseases, they are fine, but those precious actors getting a sore throat? NOT ON OUR WATCH!!!

So what, you think just because we support the voice actor strike we don't support unions for other professions? *facepalm*

I dont know, do you?



Chazore on 02 November 2016
KLXVER said:
TallSilhouette said:
The misconceptions and fallacies around this subject make me



I'm not gonna waste time arguing, I'll just urge the detractors to please actually read the union's demands before talking. This is not about money nearly as much as working conditions.

Tldr:
- limits on vocally stressful recording sessions (vital when your livelihood is being damaged)
- stunt coordinators on performance capture (safety, prevent injury like any respectable job)
- transparency in the work you're signing up for (fewer nasty surprises you never consented to)
- residuals after 2 million units sold (not hurting the little guy or unsuccessful projects)

Yeah, people who are in danger of dying when on job or get diseases, they are fine, but those precious actors getting a sore throat? NOT ON OUR WATCH!!!

I can't believe we've reached up to this point in the thread.

Seriously, those that don't give two shits about VA's aren't contributing anything worth much for this thread, all that serrves, is to show how ignorant some people are with this whole situation and VA's in general. 

 

If you aren't at all remotely interested in VA's or what's going on and only care about game devs, then please just leave the thread. This is about Voice actors, not the fucking devs.



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Darashiva on 02 November 2016
KLXVER said:
Darashiva said:

So basically saying your skills aren't worth enough for us to actually pay you decent money to use them. The only ones who actually get anything out of this are the publishers, in an industry that has been growing by leaps and bounds over the last several decades. This isn't the movie or TV industry, yes. It's still pretty much equal to them in terms of value at this point. Yet somehow people who work in the video game industry are just supposed to settle for less for what is often the same amount of work. The raise in pay and unionizing hasn't stopped the movie or TV industry from making smaller scale projects, I don't see why it would here.

Yeah, you know...the people who pay for everything.

Im all for developers getting bonuses and perks btw.

Again, it's not like they are asking for anything unreasonable here. I don't understand how making these multimillion corporations save some money by not paying people they employ a decent wage is a defendable thing.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 02 November 2016
Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Don't step into what?

Well you don't know much on the VA side of things like you pointed out earlier. 

When did I say that? I said "Nope, I do not know about the VAs and that's the issue. I don't know how many people do either."

In response to:

"I've followed a lot of VA's for years from movies to tv shows and even to games. Did you know Reinhardt'sVA also plays Dredd in the Judge Dredd animated Superfiend short? (made by the same guy who made the 2012 Dredd film), or that Reaper's VA is the same one who played Blu From Foster's home for imginary friends? (seriously hard for me to unhear lol)."

I don't understand the prespective you are coming from though with the whole VA is the same as Devs but lets not get into that.



                  

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KLXVER on 02 November 2016
Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Don't step into what?

Well you don't know much on the VA side of things like you pointed out earlier. 

How much is there to know really? People might like a voice actor because he does a great job in a cartoon. Doesnt mean they will suddenly become gamers just to hear their voice in a game. If the product is shit, the VA doesnt matter.



KLXVER on 02 November 2016
Darashiva said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, you know...the people who pay for everything.

Im all for developers getting bonuses and perks btw.

Again, it's not like they are asking for anything unreasonable here. I don't understand how making these multimillion corporations save some money by not paying people they employ a decent wage is a defendable thing.

Lets start with people who need the money first. Then we can start thinking about the famous actors.



JEMC on 02 November 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

Publishers have compared the gaming industry with the movie industry for years. Well, now they are facing the same problems the movie industry has had to deal with for years.

And I disagree with you. Voice actors and developers aren't fighting for the same money, because there is not a fixed amount of money used to pay all of them. The publisher fixes a budget, yes, but in that budget everything has to be taken into consideration, and a higher cost for voice actors won't affect the money to pay the rest of the people involved in the production of a game. After all, we all know that publishers spend more on advertising than in the game production itself.

And if publishers face troubles for paying their employees what they deserve, maybe it's time to take a look at what the f*ck they're doing with the millions they get from the games, season passes, dlcs, companion apps, etc they sell. Maybe the problem is not the people that creates the games, but the executives that run the companies.

Yea well, I always thought it was nonsense :P

Yea but paying for advertising is a thing that has to be done. If it costs that much to sell a game and make people notice, then it doesn't matter if the advertising costs more than the game itself because if that is what it takes to get it in people's hands, then they can't reduce it. And while it isn't a fixed amount, it is in the sense that they can't increase it to any amount they want otherwise they won't make enough profit to impress the investors.

But here's the thing, the only people that I have seen complain are the VA as far as paying employees what they deserve in this incident. The developers aren't exactly complaining and neither are the rest of the crews. Cause if they were, they would go on strike and voice their anger no? So it feels like as far as developers and etc go, they are getting paid what they deserve (with some exceptions obviously) cause if they aren't complaining, they are probably happy. But the VAs seems to feel that they deserve more than what they are getting paid and its not even all the VAs. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we have some VAs also saying VAs don't actually deserve much more or at least not what they are trying to pull.

Cause currently, with the game budgets, no one is taking residuals to devs/VA/etc into account as far as I know but if they all suddenly want it, that is quite a big cut into their profts since for every X amount of copies sold, the employees are getting Y amount where as before, the publishers could take all of it afaik. Specially since the devs would probably want much more than what the VAs would get and etc.

Overall, it is a tricky situation. I will be curious to see what happens

Developers have much more things to worry about besides their salary. Those legendary, and definitely not for a good reason, crushing sessions are anything but healthy, as well as those lenghtly workdays.

This is the thing, tho. Developers only complain about that and other things once they have left the business or the company they were working on have closed because they're afraid of losing their job. If they see the VA fighting for their rights and succeeding, how long do you think will be until they form their own union and ask for their own rights?

That's why publishers are so agressive against this whole strike. If they succeed, it'll be the beginning of bigger and more important changes in the industry.

KLXVER said:
Darashiva said:

Yeah, I've seen that and I agree. I don't think people necessarily realize that this isn't about voice actors getting more than everyone else, it's about them getting a decent compensation for their work. That doesn't mean that other people working in the industry shouldn't also receive more, but it has to start somewhere if the video game industry is going to become a healthy place to work for people.

They get paid for what they do. Just like most jobs in the world. They actually get paid more than most jobs in the world. Should builders who help build a store get paid more later if the store becomes popular? No, they have done their job and gotten paid for it. This is just actors wanting more for doing nothing.

 

Wrong example as construction workers have their own unions that have fought to get their members the rights and work conditions they deserve, and that includes the salary.



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Chazore on 02 November 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
Chazore said:

Well you don't know much on the VA side of things like you pointed out earlier. 

When did I say that? I said "Nope, I do not know about the VAs and that's the issue. I don't know how many people do either."

In response to:

"I've followed a lot of VA's for years from movies to tv shows and even to games. Did you know Reinhardt'sVA also plays Dredd in the Judge Dredd animated Superfiend short? (made by the same guy who made the 2012 Dredd film), or that Reaper's VA is the same one who played Blu From Foster's home for imginary friends? (seriously hard for me to unhear lol)."

I don't understand the prespective you are coming from though with the whole VA is the same as Devs but lets not get into that.

But you made this about the devs as well as others when it's meant to be about the VA's and their conditions as well as pay...

You've gone on about how devs should be paid more than VA's, we've been going on about that for a while now (towards that last part you just wrote).

 

You aren't on the same page when it comes to the importance of VA's. You don't see them as being anywhere near the level of devs, yet we're supposed to be talking about the VA'a and not the devs in the first place.



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KLXVER on 02 November 2016
JEMC said:
                                          
KLXVER said:

They get paid for what they do. Just like most jobs in the world. They actually get paid more than most jobs in the world. Should builders who help build a store get paid more later if the store becomes popular? No, they have done their job and gotten paid for it. This is just actors wanting more for doing nothing.

 

Wrong example as construction workers have their own unions that have fought to get their members the rights and work conditions they deserve, and that includes the salary.

Well thats not really the point.