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Miyamotoo said:
Entropio said:

Yes, that's true. My fears with a new DKR would be the following:

- Who would develop it? DKCR and TF were developed by Retro, but I don't see them developing DKR2 (specially after all the backlash they received for not developing Metroid Prime 4 or a more adult  IP). I think that DKR2 would need a big budget and a competent studio behind it to succeed.

- Which characters would appear? I know that most DKR characters were completely new (and probably not very charismatic, although I loved most of them), but I think that it would be strange if all DKR2 characters wouldn't have appeared in the first one.

- Would it be succesful? DKR appeared when 3D platformers were in its peak of popularity, so mixing them with a racing arcade game was great. Nowadays 3D platformers have almost disappeared, and  racing games seem to focus more on the online multiplayer. I know that 3D platformers may be experiecing a resurgence, but we still don't know how big it'll be.

Anyway, if Nintendo decides to create a new DKR and it's well made, it could be really wonderful and I'd be really hyped.

-Maybe Monster Games with Retro help, Nintendo itself said that Retro is big enough that can have multiple projects in same time.

-All DK characters with some guests that are outside universe. Characters are really not a problem.

-If game is good, easily could sell few millions.

Fair enough, since Monster Games also helped with Mario Kart 8, right?



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CaptainExplosion2 said:
Miyamotoo said:

-Maybe Monster Games with Retro help, Nintendo itself said that Retro is big enough that can have multiple projects in same time.

-All DK characters with some guests that are outside universe. Characters are really not a problem.

-If game is good, easily could sell few millions.

Fair enough, since Monster Games also helped with Mario Kart 8, right?

No, Monster Games worked on DKCTF game with Retro Studios and they developed Excitebots, also Retro Studios also worked on Mario Kart 7.



Miyamotoo said:
spemanig said:

It has a lot of big flaws. Too many. Nothing a sequel can't fix. It's definitely not great as is, but it has potential. I don't care how much of a win it was for Nintendo lol I care about high quality games.

If game relly has too many flaws Splatoon would never be so popular and played game, and basicly one of bigget new IP in recent times. I get that you personaly dont like it but reality is diffrent, but for vast majority of people and players, Splatoon is great and very quality game with just some flaws like any other game. 


Come on, dude. It's not quality that sells games. It's marketability and accessability. People rag on Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed and derivative sports games and blah blah and their sales dwarf what Splatoon sold. Sales aren't proof of quality. They are proof that someone bought a game. People still like Sonic Adventures 1+2, so people liking something doesn't prove quality either. The truth resists simplicity.

I am not making an assessment based on what I like or dislike. I'm being a critic. Liking something and something being good are not related. You can like something and acknowledge that it's bad. You can hate something and acknowledge that it's good. I like the Transformers movies. All three of them. They are terrible movies. I hate The Lord of the Rings. They are phenominal movies. It doesn't matter whether I like Splatoon or not - it's not a great game. It's a good foundation. It doesn't matter to me if every other person in the world likes it. It would just mean that every other person in the world likes Splatoon inspite of it being way too crippled to be good. Maybe a sequel will help it come into its own.

I also absolutely refute the notion that Splatoon has flaws "like any other game" as if its flaws are comparable to literally any other game in its genre. Splatoon is a tragedy of errors with a good idea buried underneth. Many people are willing to ignore those errors, however plentiful and however large, to glimpse that idea. I most definitely am not.



Entropio said:
onionberry said:

donkey kong country returns without rare was a great idea

Yes, that's true. My fears with a new DKR would be the following:

- Who would develop it? DKCR and TF were developed by Retro, but I don't see them developing DKR2 (specially after all the backlash they received for not developing Metroid Prime 4 or a more adult  IP). I think that DKR2 would need a big budget and a competent studio behind it to succeed.

- Which characters would appear? I know that most DKR characters were completely new (and probably not very charismatic, although I loved most of them), but I think that it would be strange if all DKR2 characters wouldn't have appeared in the first one.

- Would it be succesful? DKR appeared when 3D platformers were in its peak of popularity, so mixing them with a racing arcade game was great. Nowadays 3D platformers have almost disappeared, and  racing games seem to focus more on the online multiplayer. I know that 3D platformers may be experiecing a resurgence, but we still don't know how big it'll be.

Anyway, if Nintendo decides to create a new DKR and it's well made, it could be really wonderful and I'd be really hyped.

One rumor about DKR2 said something about using characters from obscure eShop games, like Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western.



                
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spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

If game relly has too many flaws Splatoon would never be so popular and played game, and basicly one of bigget new IP in recent times. I get that you personaly dont like it but reality is diffrent, but for vast majority of people and players, Splatoon is great and very quality game with just some flaws like any other game. 


Come on, dude. It's not quality that sells games. It's marketability and accessability. People rag on Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed and derivative sports games and blah blah and their sales dwarf what Splatoon sold. Sales aren't proof of quality. They are proof that someone bought a game. People still like Sonic Adventures 1+2, so people liking something doesn't prove quality either. The truth resists simplicity.

I am not making an assessment based on what I like or dislike. I'm being a critic. Liking something and something being good are not related. You can like something and acknowledge that it's bad. You can hate something and acknowledge that it's good. I like the Transformers movies. All three of them. They are terrible movies. I hate The Lord of the Rings. They are phenominal movies. It doesn't matter whether I like Splatoon or not - it's not a great game. It's a good foundation. It doesn't matter to me if every other person in the world likes it. It would just mean that every other person in the world likes Splatoon inspite of it being way too crippled to be good. Maybe a sequel will help it come into its own.

I also absolutely refute the notion that Splatoon has flaws "like any other game" as if its flaws are comparable to literally any other game in its genre. Splatoon is a tragedy of errors with a good idea buried underneth. Many people are willing to ignore those errors, however plentiful and however large, to glimpse that idea. I most definitely am not.

Like I wrote, if Splatoon really has big flaws like you describe, despite grate marketing and accessibility it wouldn't be nearly so popular and so much played game. Splatoon has around 33% attach rate on Wii U, what game exactly dwarf that attach rate and popularity on single platform!?

You can be crtical but you are not realistic at all, Splatoon is relly great game despite you dont think like that. Make here thread about best Wii U games, you will see that Splatoon will be easy be in top 5 probably in top 3 best Wii U games.

Again if those flaws are so big people wouldn't think that Splatoon is great, very popular and one most played game on Wii U.

Reality is that you dont like game, but game is relly great.



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Miyamotoo said:

Like I wrote, if Splatoon really has big flaws like you describe, despite grate marketing and accessibility it wouldn't be nearly so popular and so much played game. Splatoon has around 33% attach rate on Wii U, what game exactly dwarf that attach rate and popularity on single platform!?

You can be crtical but you are not realistic at all, Splatoon is relly great game despite you dont think like that. Make here thread about best Wii U games, you will see that Splatoon will be easy be in top 5 probably in top 3 best Wii U games.

Again if those flaws are so big people wouldn't think that Splatoon is great, very popular and one most played game on Wii U.

Reality is that you dont like game, but game is relly great.

I'm sure if you asked most of the people who watched Transformers 1-3 if they were the top 10 best movies of all time, they'd say yes too.

Attach rate doesn't mean anything when your console only sold 13m. Most Wii U exclusives had an abnormally high attach rate. That's what happens when you have a small installed base with an sparse line up of games to look forward to. They buy anything they can that doesn't suck because there is nothing else. Splatoon was ripe for high sales. It was accessible and had no online shooter competition on the Wii U. You think Splatoon would have had a 33% installed base on literally any other platform? Of course not. It would have gotten burried, because people on other platforms have other games to play. Splatoon was only the best shooter on the Wii U because it was pretty much the only fully supported shooter on the Wii U. It's competition was Devil's Third and last gen games. That's it. I'm not trying to be mean, but being in the top five games of a system like the Wii U which had so few games anyway doesn't mean much. Especially when you're asking an echochamber. Splatoon was the only release for like 5 months at that point. It was slim pickings.

When you don't have a lot to eat, everything tastes sweeter. People's tolerance for bullshit is higher on the Wii U then other systems because there are no alternatives to the games they get on it. The flaws on Splatoon were huge. On any other platform, they would have been crippling. Street Fighter V is flailing on the PS4 because they tried some of Splatoon's bull. It's not even half as bad as Splatoon in that regard, and people still didn't tolerate it because they can just buy literally any other current gen fighter instead. I'd love to see the statistic of how many Splatoon owners own other platforms besides the Wii U, or regularly play shooters. I have a feeling the persentages for both are neglidgeable.

It doesn't matter if every Wii U owner in the world puts Splatoon at #1. It's not a great game and there are only 13m Wii U owners to choose from. It's a critically flawed mediocre game with potential and no competition. I don't have to like game. Game no good. You can like it. Still no good.



spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

Like I wrote, if Splatoon really has big flaws like you describe, despite grate marketing and accessibility it wouldn't be nearly so popular and so much played game. Splatoon has around 33% attach rate on Wii U, what game exactly dwarf that attach rate and popularity on single platform!?

You can be crtical but you are not realistic at all, Splatoon is relly great game despite you dont think like that. Make here thread about best Wii U games, you will see that Splatoon will be easy be in top 5 probably in top 3 best Wii U games.

Again if those flaws are so big people wouldn't think that Splatoon is great, very popular and one most played game on Wii U.

Reality is that you dont like game, but game is relly great.

I'm sure if you asked most of the people who watched Transformers 1-3 if they were the top 10 best movies of all time, they'd say yes too.

Attach rate doesn't mean anything when your console only sold 13m. Most Wii U exclusives had an abnormally high attach rate. That's what happens when you have a small installed base with an sparse line up of games to look forward to. They buy anything they can that doesn't suck because there is nothing else. Splatoon was ripe for high sales. It was accessible and had no online shooter competition on the Wii U. You think Splatoon would have had a 33% installed base on literally any other platform? Of course not. It would have gotten burried, because people on other platforms have other games to play. Splatoon was only the best shooter on the Wii U because it was pretty much the only fully supported shooter on the Wii U. It's competition was Devil's Third and last gen games. That's it. I'm not trying to be mean, but being in the top five games of a system like the Wii U which had so few games anyway doesn't mean much. Especially when you're asking an echochamber. Splatoon was the only release for like 5 months at that point. It was slim pickings.

When you don't have a lot to eat, everything tastes sweeter. People's tolerance for bullshit is higher on the Wii U then other systems because there are no alternatives to the games they get on it. The flaws on Splatoon were huge. On any other platform, they would have been crippling. Street Fighter V is flailing on the PS4 because they tried some of Splatoon's bull. It's not even half as bad as Splatoon in that regard, and people still didn't tolerate it because they can just buy literally any other current gen fighter instead. I'd love to see the statistic of how many Splatoon owners own other platforms besides the Wii U, or regularly play shooters. I have a feeling the persentages for both are neglidgeable.

It doesn't matter if every Wii U owner in the world puts Splatoon at #1. It's not a great game and there are only 13m Wii U owners to choose from. It's a critically flawed mediocre game with potential and no competition. I don't have to like game. Game no good. You can like it. Still no good.

Totally disagree about your point with Transformers, I know plenty of people who watched Transformers and actually nobody thinks its one of best move. On other hand 90% of people who played Splatoon will tell you that is great game.

Actually only great games or games that are heavily bundled (NSMBU and Nintendo Land) have great attach rate on WiiU. Of Course it wouldn't have same instal base on any platform, but same goes with almost any ever Nintendo IP, Nintendo IP is loved buy Nintendo fans, and Splatoon definitely looks like Nintendo game, it basically Mario Kart of online shooters. Actually Wii U have around at around 10-15 great games, and Splatoon being in most cases in top 5 and very possible top 3 proves that game is great. I want even comment "It's competition was Devil's Third and last gen games", that's just proves that you are totally unrealistic when talking about when you talk about Splatoon. 

Thats true, but that would be case for all Wii U games, but fact is that Splatoon is one of top best games on Wii U for people. Flaws are not huge, most of people cant play game if flaws are huge not to mentione milions of people and so intense playing Splatoon, reality is that those flaws are not at all huge like you trying to present them. I know people who buyed Wii U just to play Splatoon in 1st place even they have some other platforms.

Offcourse its matter how many Wii U owners put Splatoon on #1 because they are people that actually played game. Actual biggest flaw for critics is because game was packed with little content, 6 months game had double of content, so biggest flaw was adressed. Of Course you don't need to like game, but that doesnt mean game is not great, it's great game despite you dont like it. You are also aware of fact that you are one of just few people here on VGC who actually played game and that doesn't think that game is a great, even here around 90% people who played game would sell that Splatoon is great.



Where did you see MK8 and splatoon running on switch?



HelloTM said:
Where did you see MK8 and splatoon running on switch?

In Switch video, but they look more like remasters with new content.