Nintendo's unique offers to 3rd parties.

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Stefan.De.Machtige on 31 October 2016

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Getting the games is just one thing. They have to go further and push big bundles with them. If Nintendo cannot prove after one year that there is a potential market there for EA, then it will be in vain.

That's why you sign a 5 year deal just for the sports games though. EA obviuosly is not gonna it for all their games.

But sports games, why not, hate to say it, but you could just make a Switch engine once for each sports title and then just moderately change it a bit every year and update the rosters.

And I'm saying Nintendo picks up 1/2 the cost. Just to ensure at least they have (real) sports sims, I think that would be worth it.

The other types of big Western third party games .... not looking good. But FIFA/Madden/NBA at least they should be able to manage.

I really hope they get that contract. Those sports games might push some good sales if Nintendo means to do so. Even missing fifa, would damage them big in the EU.

If Nintendo played it smart, they could have told EA that they are going blue ocean in that tablet/portable crowd and that if EA goes with them, they can offload a good portion of premium games on them. And EA might just love to roll with that. Little cost, and good potential profit at first sight.

That could work well, if Nintendo has indeed the marketing push for it. Or even great.

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Pyro as Bill on 31 October 2016

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Pyro as Bill said:

Switch offers 3rd parties some opportunities that no current, past or next-gen system can offer or has offered all in one place. Hopefully it comes in at a reasonable price.

- Simpler experience for consumer. Plug in cart and play. Try a friend's game overnight without the hassle of making space on the HD.
I will believe that when I see it. There is a lot of room for sharing limitations.

- No reason to think this given every past cartridge system

- No online subscription. No barriers to online play. Consumer has more cash for games.
Not entirely cofirmed yet?

-Again, if the past is anythig to go by

- Potential to rival iPad for some people, especially youngsters. Simple TV-out, 4K content, Youtube, Netflix, Whatsapp, Skype, accessories/addons.
Less rivaling and more filling the niche for people who can't afford an iPad. Still no replacement for one. A lot of youngsters would probably prefer an iPad due to prestige and thei friend's choices.

-Not sure i'd call the majority a niche, I was thinking 8yr olds not 18yr olds. Ipad sales are declining anyway. The prestige you talk about is why Apple won't put a kickstand on their 'works of art'. Nintendo can't challenge Apple games from the low-end but they can challenge the hardware from the low end.

- First party support at levels never seen before combined with the best track record of delivering new, breakout IPs.
That's a big fat minus for every 3rd Party. Don't know why it's in this list.

-I understand why you think that but I couldn't disagree more. Competition isn't bad imo. I think it helps but I know there's no chance of convincing you otherwise so we'll just have to disagree on that one.

- Safe, known quantity when treated as a Nintendo handheld compared with VR and Microsoft's track record.
I'll wait on that. 3DS is old and has been kept alive by the New 3DS. We don't know how popular handhelds are in 2017.

-Maybe not a known quantity and not definitively safe but i'd say it's a safer bet at least.

- No requirement to be at the cutting edge. Cheaper to develop, port opportunities.
Cheaper to develop, yes but maybe not cheaper to port an existing game due to heavy limitations and a different architecture.

-If it's a choice between playing CoD/FIFA/GTA 2014 LAN/local multiplayer at school or not playing anything at all, I think people would buy an older version. 2017 and 2018 versions are still waiting for you when you get home.

A few words to some of the points. I do agree with the rest.

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True, but a lot of people don't care about portability, so this wouldn't sway them to get the console anyways

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Zkuq on 31 October 2016

Pyro as Bill said:

1. Simpler experience for consumer. Plug in cart and play. Try a friend's game overnight without the hassle of making space on the HD.

2. No online subscription. No barriers to online play. Consumer has more cash for games.

3. Free advertising/demos in the form of other gamers playing their game on the bus, train or at school.

4. Share a system that has Pokemon, mobile CoD multi, mobile FIFA/Madden multi, mobile GTA multi (possibly).

5. Simple and powerful LAN gaming solution. No dedicated servers to support or online connection required.

6. System's mobility allows more gaming uptime. More games needed to meet demand. $$$.

7. Potential to rival iPad for some people, especially youngsters. Simple TV-out, 4K content, Youtube, Netflix, Whatsapp, Skype, accessories/addons.

8. First party support at levels never seen before combined with the best track record of delivering new, breakout IPs.

9. Custom joy cons and other accessories for niche software. Pedometers, GPS(?) for new types of gameplay.

10. Safe, known quantity when treated as a Nintendo handheld compared with VR and Microsoft's track record.

11. All the 'Nintendo fans' in one place instead of split over two consoles.

12. No requirement to be at the cutting edge. Cheaper to develop, port opportunities.

1. I don't think this matters almost at all and if it does, one might even argue that it hurts sales because you can just borrow games from your friends instead of buying them.

2. Valid point, assuming it's true.

3. Valid point, but this probably has only a minor effect for most games.

4. This isn't a benefit for third parties! If anything, this is bad for them because there's going to be more competition.

5. I'm possibly ignorant but I don't know what you're talking about so I can't really comment on this.

6. Valid point, although I suspect the effect isn't very big.

7. Switch isn't probably going to have many services on it. If it does, this is a valid point, but personally I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, it's probably harmful for third parties anyway since there's going to be more competition for the users' time.

8. Again, more competition so not good.

9. Valid point but like you said: for niche software.

10. I'm not sure what you mean with this point so I'm not commenting on it.

11. Valid point.

12. Double-edge sword for obvious reasons.

Conclusion: There's some good points, some passable points, and some that are probably more harmful than beneficial (for third parties). That said, you didn't really say they'd all be good for third parties, so there's that...