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Again, you've become jaded. Nor do you reflect the majority. You may be tired of the Wii Remote control scheme, but given the brisk pace of hardware and software sales, I'd say you're rather the opposite of the majority.



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Sky Render said:
@disolitude

Your analogy is poor. If you want to go with cars, then PS3 and 360 would be like Porsche and Jaguar: powerful, sleek, expensive, high upkeep costs, you hear a lot about them, yet nobody ever seems to own one outside of the "inner circle" of the car-owning elite. Meanwhile Wii would be more like a Camry: compact, efficient, not especially powerful, but everybody and their grandma seems to have one because it does the job and has a low upkeep cost.

Stop looking at consoles from the elitist gamer perspective, and look at things from the mainstream gamer perspective instead. People, by and large, don't want excessive power; they want to get the most value for their money. And when shopping for a video game system, the experience of playing games on the system is the highest value point. From that perspective, the PS3 and 360 have very little to offer over the PS2 and XBOX, while the Wii has a lot to offer. It doesn't matter if you personally dislike the system; you are not the majority, nor do you necessarily reflect them.

So to use your analogy, Porsche and Jaguar should just close down because they don't cater to the masses?

No. They have a market, and for the market they have, they need to cater to them.

The Wii is so successful because it caters to so many different types of people. The PS3 and 360 cater to a smaller audience, but for what the PS3 and 360 do well, the Wii is not the right tool.

The Wii is great, I love mine, but I also love my PS3 and my 360.



disolitude said:

@Sky Render

I don't dislike the wii. I have it and see what it offers. It definitely is a welcome change but people give it far too much credit for "innovation". Its a nice social gaming system.

In any case, I wouldn't consider myself a minority preferring an xbox 360 and PS3 as those 2 consoles are splitting the market and combined will outsell the wii by a large margin. If EA came out with a similar console as wii (cheap, simple, fun, cheerful) wii wouldn't sell nearly as much.

The bottom line is that I want the best graphics, the best sound, best controlls and best games coming frmo a console and I'm willing to pay extra for that. We all know the wii doesn't have the best sound and graphics. Controlls while innovative only work 50% of the time...rest of the time you are just randomly shaking the wii-mote. And games are up to the gamer. If you are 12, and like familly friendly games...nintendo Wii is king. Not so much for the 15-40 year olds tho...


 That's still looking at it from an elitist gamer perspective though.

 While the Wiimote has been primarily used and succesful so far with the casual games (specifically one casual game that happens to come with the system), it offers innovation all accross the range of games. This can be seen in the innovative, completely new way of playing games offered in Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki. No other system offers the type of experiences those games provide.

I may agree with you on the depth of play issue--the PS3's use of Blu-Ray discs means games can be much larger than anything on the other consoles (though that has yet to be used in practice--we'll see with MGS4 and it's probably 800 million okay to awesomely awesome cut scenes), but graphics, while something a certain percentage of gamers crave, is not innovation and has never been something that makes a system more attractive to people overall or conversely holds a system back. It's very easy to up graphics cards and create more lifelike (or, truth be told, more cinematic) graphics, but
such things do not a great game make (see Kill Zone, or Kane and Lynch, or hell, to stay somewhat on topic, the diminishing returns of every Madden game since 2005).

What people, specially hard core gamers, seem to forget is that the most graphically superior console is rarely either the best selling or best console. PS2 was the weakest graphically of the 4 6th gen consoles, yet in addition to the obvious sales advantage had by far the best game library. All XBox was able to get with it's amazing graphics was Halo, and as great as it was, one franchise can't make up for the overall better system PS2 was. Of the 5th gen sstem, the best graphics were on Saturn. Hell, fifth gen best graphics was probably either Neo Geo or Jaguar. Who the hell wants those systems?

Anyway, to try to get back on topic somewhat, an EA system would probably just be a half assed Xbox-type system. As stupidly as they're run, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to make a console. no one buys a system for EA games--people buy EA games that interest them for the system they have. Even the casual argument doesn't work, because EA has been busy making all of their casual games harder and harder for casual fans to get into (could nayone who hasn't played Madden for years be able to figure out how to play it well? I doubt it). Even buying Take Two probably wouldn't help, because once Rock Star's developers start being forced to work under EA slave labor conditions, they'll jump ship, and GTA and Bioshock will start to suck. Which is why I hope EA fails hard in it's takeover bid of Rock Star.



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Atari 7800 (Sold), Intellivision (Thrown out), Gameboy (Lost), Super Nintendo (Stolen), Super Nintendo (2nd copy) (Thrown out by mother), Nintendo 64 (Still own), Super Nintendo (3rd copy) (Still own), Wii (Sold)

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Sky Render, that's his opinion, and it doesn't necessarily mean he's jaded or anything. You could argue that the Wii sells because it's a novelty, and that many Wii owners will feel the same way after using the controller for a while.

I disagree, I like the Wii's software lineup complemented with my PC games, and I like to have something much different than my PC games when playing on a console, so the Wii works perfectly. But I can see how a non-PC gamer might only prefer the HD consoles with standard controls.



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Lol...every time someone doesn't like a nintendo product, he or she has become jaded? I don't think so...

Wii mote works for activities...such as throwing, hitting, poking and aiming...etc...but its not a secret that games like Smash brothers and Mario Galaxy as a whole would be better controlled with a normal gamecube controller. Hence why most new games give you multiple ways of controling the game. For example, Sega Superstar tennis is unplayable with the wii mote...luckily there is 3 ways to play the game.

But if you are playing with a Wii a normal controller...why not get the xbox 360 or ps3 version which has better graphics and sound?



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Before the inevitable "Wii software isn't selling well lol" line, let's do a week comparison: week 70 of the Wii (the most recent), and week 70 of the 360 (equivalent week). The 360 has the edge in this comparison, since it had a full year of no current-gen competition, and thus had plenty of time to drum up consumer support with nobody save the PS2 getting in the way.

30 March 2007 (360, week 70)
Hardware: 83,452 units sold
Software: 400,599 copies sold
Ratio: about 1:4.8

21st March 2008 (Wii, week 70)
Hardware: 403,568 units sold
Software: 2,456,332 copies sold
Ratio: about 1:6

Whoops, there goes the theory that Wii software isn't selling.



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Generic Username 01 said:
No. It will have the same lack of innovation as the 360 and PS3 and will flop against the Wii for the same reasons.

 Seeing that you know so much about the future of gaming, can I borrow your crystal ball? 



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Wow, you really don't get it, disolitude... I've spelled it out for you at least 3 different times, but you still haven't seen it, I guess. You are not the majority. You do not represent the majority. The majority speaks with its money. The majority is favoring the Wii. There is nothing here that defies logic or indeed should be able to provoke any sort of argument. Every last word of it can be backed up with results, if that's your kind of thing. That you are tired of the Wii Remote is moot in the big picture.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Sky Render said:
@disolitude

Your analogy is poor. If you want to go with cars, then PS3 and 360 would be like Porsche and Jaguar: powerful, sleek, expensive, high upkeep costs, you hear a lot about them, yet nobody ever seems to own one outside of the "inner circle" of the car-owning elite. Meanwhile Wii would be more like a Camry: compact, efficient, not especially powerful, but everybody and their grandma seems to have one because it does the job and has a low upkeep cost.

Stop looking at consoles from the elitist gamer perspective, and look at things from the mainstream gamer perspective instead. People, by and large, don't want excessive power; they want to get the most value for their money. And when shopping for a video game system, the experience of playing games on the system is the highest value point. From that perspective, the PS3 and 360 have very little to offer over the PS2 and XBOX, while the Wii has a lot to offer. It doesn't matter if you personally dislike the system; you are not the majority, nor do you necessarily reflect them.

So to use your analogy, Porsche and Jaguar should just close down because they don't cater to the masses?

No. They have a market, and for the market they have, they need to cater to them.

The Wii is so successful because it caters to so many different types of people. The PS3 and 360 cater to a smaller audience, but for what the PS3 and 360 do well, the Wii is not the right tool.

The Wii is great, I love mine, but I also love my PS3 and my 360.


Nowhere does he say Sony or MS should shut down. But by going elite (or in MS's case, always being that way), they've lost thier ability to cater to the mainstream. PS2 was the Camry of the 6th gen. Sony forgot this and they're stuck with being the Porshe. Whch is a nice thing to be, but as Sky Render said, a whole lot fewer people want a Porshe than a Camry.



My consoles and the fates they suffered:

Atari 7800 (Sold), Intellivision (Thrown out), Gameboy (Lost), Super Nintendo (Stolen), Super Nintendo (2nd copy) (Thrown out by mother), Nintendo 64 (Still own), Super Nintendo (3rd copy) (Still own), Wii (Sold)

A more detailed history appears on my profile.

Sky Render said:
Wow, you really don't get it, disolitude... I've spelled it out for you at least 3 different times, but you still haven't seen it, I guess. You are not the majority. You do not represent the majority. The majority speaks with its money. The majority is favoring the Wii. There is nothing here that defies logic or indeed should be able to provoke any sort of argument. Every last word of it can be backed up with results, if that's your kind of thing. That you are tired of the Wii Remote is moot in the big picture.

This doesn't sound like much of an argument to me. More like..."I have no more arguments so I'm going to back up my argument with sales".  Did you know that Britney Spears sells a lot of records too...yeah she must be an amazing musician.