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thismeintiel said:
GoOnKid said:

Yup, I think that's it. The numbered consoles make it very easy to understand that a 4 is higher than a 3 and therefore better. And by naming all consoles the same, the brand has had 20 years of drilling itself into the consumers' head while NIntendo names each console differently, safe for Wii/Wii U, and we all know what happened. Having said that, giving the new console the name Switch has the function of diversification on one hand but the risk of losing a connection on the other. But then again, as soon as Mario's face is shown, everyone knows what's up, so maybe this problem isn't all that big. Personally, I would wish they threw the word "Nintendo" around as often as they can, too, in order to set an anchor in the consumers' heads next to Mario's face.

Well, the Super NES having the same name as the NES didn't exactly stop it from selling around half of its predecessor.

SNES sold about 80% of NES.........thats way more than half



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Scisca said:
I think the OP is ridiculous and a proof of a goldfish memory of the author. Let us remind ourselves of other reveals of this generation:

-OP is so high on Sony's reveal - it was the first ever console reveal that... didn't even show the console! Oh yeah, Ninty falls short of that. Let's not look at that reveal through pink coloured glasses just because PS4 sells so well. The reveal was good, but nothing to be amazed by and had its own shortcomings. The best thing about the reveal was the "8GB DDR5 RAM" part. Awesome.

So you prefer to know what the brick under your TV will look like rather than what it can do. Well, different strokes for different folks I guess!



Faelco said:
Scisca said:
I think the OP is ridiculous and a proof of a goldfish memory of the author. Let us remind ourselves of other reveals of this generation:

-OP is so high on Sony's reveal - it was the first ever console reveal that... didn't even show the console! Oh yeah, Ninty falls short of that. Let's not look at that reveal through pink coloured glasses just because PS4 sells so well. The reveal was good, but nothing to be amazed by and had its own shortcomings. The best thing about the reveal was the "8GB DDR5 RAM" part. Awesome.

So you prefer to know what the brick under your TV will look like rather than what it can do. Well, different strokes for different folks I guess!

My console is almost unseem but used a lot... perhaps he wants to parade with the hh more than play, perhaps he doesn't want to look silly on commute.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Faelco said:
Scisca said:
I think the OP is ridiculous and a proof of a goldfish memory of the author. Let us remind ourselves of other reveals of this generation:

-OP is so high on Sony's reveal - it was the first ever console reveal that... didn't even show the console! Oh yeah, Ninty falls short of that. Let's not look at that reveal through pink coloured glasses just because PS4 sells so well. The reveal was good, but nothing to be amazed by and had its own shortcomings. The best thing about the reveal was the "8GB DDR5 RAM" part. Awesome.

So you prefer to know what the brick under your TV will look like rather than what it can do. Well, different strokes for different folks I guess!

Dude, grow up and stop with the stupid ad personam arguments. I'm pointing out that Sony hasn't revealed EVERYTHING at their event. They missed quite an important part. And yes, I actually think that when you host a special event with its sole purpose being the reveal of your console, you should reveal the console. But just like I wasn't going apeshit about the fact that not EVERYTHING was shown the very first moment, other people shouldn't forget that fact and go crazy complaining about NS not showing EVERYTHING in the teaser and pretending that Sony did something entirely different. Get real guys. It took Sony two events and a couple hours to show the stuff you demand from Nintendo.



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Scisca said:
Faelco said:

So you prefer to know what the brick under your TV will look like rather than what it can do. Well, different strokes for different folks I guess!

Dude, grow up and stop with the stupid ad personam arguments. I'm pointing out that Sony hasn't revealed EVERYTHING at their event. They missed quite an important part. And yes, I actually think that when you host a special event with its sole purpose being the reveal of your console, you should reveal the console. But just like I wasn't going apeshit about the fact that not EVERYTHING was shown the very first moment, other people shouldn't forget that fact and go crazy complaining about NS not showing EVERYTHING in the teaser and pretending that Sony did something entirely different. Get real guys. It took Sony two events and a couple hours to show the stuff you demand from Nintendo.

The problem is that sony "only didn't show the console" while nintendo "only showed the handheld" so you are going from 8 to 80 there.

And you are doing personal attacks so why are you complaining of the other user doing it?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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bananaking21 said:

And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 

Couldn't agree more with this. There is a huge graveyard of expensive handhelds out there that had terrible battery life, no games, and powerful graphics. I'm still hoping that the NS launches at $250, because otherwise it will get crushed. The XB1 Battlefield bundle is only $300. I'm also hoping that the NS gets a lot of games that are meant for portability, and look around NGC levels. Battery life wouldn't be an issue if they didn't try to run the system at max graphics setting the whole time. 



The OP's point of consumers not wanting full home console experiences on the go is a good one. Here is a perfect example. Activision made the last two Skylanders games full experiences on tablets. They bombed. This years Skylanders game has a mobile app that is a perfect companion to the console game, letting you create Skylanders on the go. Smaller more mobilecentric experience on a mobile device is a better decision.



   

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SonytendoAmiibo said:
The OP's point of consumers not wanting full home console experiences on the go is a good one. Here is a perfect example. Activision made the last two Skylanders games full experiences on tablets. They bombed. This years Skylanders game has a mobile app that is a perfect companion to the console game, letting you create Skylanders on the go. Smaller more mobilecentric experience on a mobile device is a better decision.

Are you serious? Games like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, any jrpg, Super Smash Bros., Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, and countless other 3DS titles completely spoil your, "point" here.

People do like home console experiences on the go. Your mindset is primitive. There was a time when people said home consoles should not mirror the big brother arcade experiences because nobody would want that. Looking back, home consoles mimicking arcades was the natural evolution and now hand held mimicking home console experiences should be seen as the next natural evolutionary step.

The fact that hand held/mobile gaming can do companion softwareis a great bonus but there are people that want the same home experiences when they are on the go. The PSP and PSVita sold on the premise of being closer to home console experiences and even though PSVita was not a success, there is obviously a market (a good sized one at that) for home console titles on the go.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:
The OP's point of consumers not wanting full home console experiences on the go is a good one. Here is a perfect example. Activision made the last two Skylanders games full experiences on tablets. They bombed. This years Skylanders game has a mobile app that is a perfect companion to the console game, letting you create Skylanders on the go. Smaller more mobilecentric experience on a mobile device is a better decision.

Are you serious? Games like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, any jrpg, Super Smash Bros., Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, and countless other 3DS titles completely spoil your, "point" here.

People do like home console experiences on the go. Your mindset is primitive. There was a time when people said home consoles should not mirror the big brother arcade experiences because nobody would want that. Looking back, home consoles mimicking arcades was the natural evolution and now hand held mimicking home console experiences should be seen as the next natural evolutionary step.

The fact that hand held/mobile gaming can do companion softwareis a great bonus but there are people that want the same home experiences when they are on the go. The PSP and PSVita sold on the premise of being closer to home console experiences and even though PSVita was not a success, there is obviously a market (a good sized one at that) for home console titles on the go.

10M vs 60M is the good market for console on the go?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

think-man said:
Viktor said:

Do you think that´s not enough time? They made the concept clear with a single 3 and half minute Teaser, and that´s actually the hard part to get across and understood by as many people as possible. Actually it´s not a bad thing to send out a clear message and give it time to breath and to not overwhelm also gamers that aren´t checking dedicated news sites and forums on a daily bases. Let´s first cement the concept on people minds.

Well I like to know what games I'm buying with more than 2 months notice usually. NS has provided bugger all in terms of what games are coming. Most games I want to buy are on my wish list for over 12 months. 

It´s one thing, if someone has peculiar arbitrary timeframes and a complete different matter when it comes to the actual timeframe needed to get the information across. Even less of a problem if it comes to gamers that actually seek out information on an almost daily basis and for others it´s far more important to explain the concept first, something the teaser actually does a good job for.

 

It´s very peculiar to see people actually think, that after an announcement of an interesting game, they would rather prefer a longer wait between reveal and actual release, than having access to it as soon as possible. It´s also silly to act as if the launch of the system is some kind of deadline, rather than a starting point. If someone educated is interested in the system right now, he can already plan what budget he wants to invest next year and act according to what appeals to him later on.