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Eagle367 on 21 October 2016
ninjapirate42 said:
Not a traditional home console but still a home console. They just want to give you the option to be able to play it when you leave the house as well so something obviously had to change in the design so you're not lugging an Xbox One sized contraption with a screen around with you.

Just because it's not designed the same as the traditional home consoles have always been doesn't mean that's not what they're going for here, especially when they specifically called it the next dedicated home console for them.

Exactly it's a new definition of a console. It's a portable home console is what it is



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GhaudePhaede010 on 21 October 2016

Nintendo has not left the home console market. This console is to 3DS what DS was to Game Boy. You believe Nintendo is finished in the home console industry because you have no vision for the future.

I have maintained since the Eurogamer rumor that if this console is their next offering, they now have a hand held that satiated the home console audience and with that flexibility, Nintendo can modify Wii and Wii U technology to create a virtual reality home console (changing how we view home consoles) which is different from their competitors because it is the stat quo of the console as opposed to an add-on. Plus, they can do it while keeping the price of the product as low as possible.

I was basically laughed at when I said it and I am the first to say it, but there is no reason to think it could not be their realistic future. I was the first to guess what the Wii U would be and I was laughed at and ignored back then so it is nothing new to me to be treated this way.



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Platina on 21 October 2016

Even if it's a handheld, it's still a console, no?



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Culipechi on 21 October 2016

Yeah totally...



DonFerrari on 21 October 2016
teigaga said:
DonFerrari said:

My laptop still performs better on the power outlet even if both are settled on the same configuration on battery, but that may be confirmation Bias.

I don't quite understand your second point.

Because the counterpoint that notebooks connect to tv, PSP and PSVita (even if needed PSTV or PS4 streaming) connected to tv or got console games to mobility, clearly would negate that only because you connected switch (as handheld perception) to a TV doesn't make it a home console.

Yes that is the biggest concern...

I would be a lot happier if they just made a three product line, simple handheld, simple console and switch... all three running the same games on different levels and people choosing which they preffer without paying premium for what they aren't going to use.

The PSP and PSV aren't designed around this philosophy. When is a streaming box a streaming box instead of a gaming console? Or a gaming console a console instead of a streaming box?

These semantics are not scientific, it's all just marketing and intended use. What is the definition of a home console?

My point is no one cares what title these boxes fit under, they care about function. The NS functions as a console and that's built into its control scheme and hardware choice. The thread "Nintendo "has quit console gaming" is based on the NS not having a Gpu in its dock. As if people care whether it's in the dock or in the tablet, the real discussion is one of power, but the Wii and Wii U were both weak so I'm saying the discussion is kind of pointless.

You may say they weren't designed around that, but still it launched with the functionality around. So intention defines what it is?

NS can function as a console as much as a PSTV can as well. so it isn't exacly new.

The thread is more about the dock having little use besides being a chargepod with tv connection, making it much more of a handheld hooked to a tv than a console that you may carry and play with or a hybrid.

RolStoppable said:
teigaga said:

The PSP and PSV aren't designed around this philosophy. When is a streaming box a streaming box instead of a gaming console? Or a gaming console a console instead of a streaming box?

These semantics are not scientific, it's all just marketing and intended use. What is the definition of a home console?

My point is no one cares what title these boxes fit under, they care about function. The NS functions as a console and that's built into its control scheme and hardware choice. The thread "Nintendo "has quit console gaming" is based on the NS not having a Gpu in its dock. As if people care whether it's in the dock or in the tablet, the real discussion is one of power, but the Wii and Wii U were both weak so I'm saying the discussion is kind of pointless.

If Switch connects to the TV and then offers four player splitscreen games, then it's clearly not the same as plugging a Sony handheld or any other device into a TV or monitor. In that case Switch would truly change its functionality to the one of a home console and at that point you would be hard pressed to disregard it as a home console. Switch obviously also works as a handheld, but that's the point of a hybrid; it's both.

It isn't the same, but evolving a concept or idea isn't the same as making it a home console.

And besides nintendo saying it's a home console on their reveal they took almost all the time on the presentation showing it as a handheld and not as a home console, so their narrative doesn't fit.



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GoOnKid on 21 October 2016
RolStoppable said:
When its games switch into home console mode and offer things like splitscreen multiplayer (does anyone believe that Mario Kart won't do that?), then it's really not like a handheld/tablet/smartphone that plugs into a TV. Saying that they quit home console gaming when their new system will clearly offer staples of home console gaming is plain stupid. That's just how it is.

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DonFerrari on 21 October 2016
RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

It isn't the same, but evolving a concept or idea isn't the same as making it a home console.

And besides nintendo saying it's a home console on their reveal they took almost all the time on the presentation showing it as a handheld and not as a home console, so their narrative doesn't fit.

I don't consider Switch an evolution of the idea to play handheld games on a TV, because in such a case the games would still work like handheld games and don't offer things like splitscreen multiplayer. This is really a redefinition of what it means to be a home console or handheld, just like Nintendo said. Of course you can't say that Switch is solely a home console, but at the same time you can't say that it can't adapt to work like one either, so the thread title is nonsense.

If you cite Nintendo, you should get it right. IIRC the exact quote was "Switch is first and foremost for home use", so that isn't a claim of it being a home console and actually a pretty reasonable statement because for one, Switch can work like a home console, and two, studies have shown that most of the time that is spent on handhelds happens at home. But the main point of that Nintendo PR statement was to not hurt 3DS sales this holiday. That most of the preview trailer was focused on portable mode has more to do with showing off new features (detachable controllers, various multiplayer options on the go) while the home use is fairly straightforward with sitting in front of the TV and using a dual analog controller.

Still it is a disconnection between what is said and show.

I do agree that no handheld have done 4 player shared screen multiplats yet (but seems like psvita have done 2 players... and using PSTV to stream PS4 games you could also do that) so it isn't entirely new. But liking it or not, most features showed are showing handheld and not home console (even their explaning of the dock).



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Naum on 21 October 2016

Wow nice way to spin it...

Jesus f**king christ, there's something wrong with some of you.



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Ljink96 on 21 October 2016
KLXVER said:
I can play it on a TV with a regular controller. Its a console. It just happens to double as a handheld.

Exactly.

People don't understand Nintendo, and it's best that you don't try because they're trying to be different. It's a home gaming console, Nintendo has said this many times. Its neutral position is in the dock. But it's also a handheld. What's not to get?



GhaudePhaede010 on 21 October 2016
Ljink96 said:
KLXVER said:
I can play it on a TV with a regular controller. Its a console. It just happens to double as a handheld.

Exactly.

People don't understand Nintendo, and it's best that you don't try because they're trying to be different. It's a home gaming console, Nintendo has said this many times. Its neutral position is in the dock. But it's also a handheld. What's not to get?

In that case, my daughter's iPad and Galaxy are home consoles... oh wait, they aren't!



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