I own over 250 dreamcast games over 150 xbox games and over 70 sega saturn games and I can think of maybe 10 or so that are more than one disc so I don't think that storage was that big of a deal to developers. Is it really that big of a deal to switch a disc a few times if the game is good, I mean come on does it really affect the quality of the game. Also please stop bringing up MGS4, Kojima said he needs the extra space that bluray has he didn't say he needed 50gb of space.

 Wow!  You are a hell of a winning system picker!!

What console have you chosen for this gen? I think that answer can help a lot of people.

(It was an easy joke, don't take it bad

Calm down, I made clear it was a joke and you shouldn't assume I supported Sony's supremacy in the previous gens. As a matter of fact, ast gen I owned a DC and later a GC, I never had a PS or PS2. This gen I own the 3 systems. As I said it was an easy joke considering you mentioned 3 very famous failures, that was it.

Jeez, man. Calm down. Do you work for Sony or something? Why do you care if HD-DVD or Bluray achieve the same adoption rate as DVDs?

 Either we're cheap - or we have other, more important, things to spend that money on. Like school, a mortgage, car payment, fiance, bills, etc.

 Now go to your room and consider putting your fanboyism to sleep.

Oh a baseless acusation, never get any of those.

Is it really acceptable to side step the argument everytime with shallow attacks on my vanity rather than actually participating in part of the debate? Is it that hard for you to bring up one single valid point against me that you're forced to such lows of pointing your finger at me and making blanket statements without any support or backing? Pity, but at least it saves me the trouble of debating with half the people who respond to me.

That's a poor comparison and shows your lack of understanding of the discussion. Snickers most essential element is its chocolate, it's what holds the bar together. Blu-Ray is not essential to the PS3, its supplementary. Perhaps if Snickers bars cost 600 dollars or if chocolate was a controversial untested substance introduced to the Snickers Bar long after it has been on the market then you would have some grounds for comparison but other than that you've really established nothing but your own biased and an unbacked dissagreeal with my argument. At best your comparison of a Snickers bar can be likened to game consoles having metal parts or plastic casings, you really need to think out your analogies a little more carefully.

On a side note in regards to the later discussion, Sony would have to force a game to take up the full space of a Blu-Ray disc, its just not needed for gaming at this point in time and thinking otherwise benefits only those who want Sony games to remain Sony exclusives, not gaming. And don't think the PS3 is going to turn out anything grander than what it already has, PS3 games already have problems with frame rate drops and other processing issues in being pushed to the limit of what the machine can effectivley do. In making the PS3 so powerful you've made it ridiculously handicapped in trying to handle all that information and superficially lowered its ceiling of potential. It's probably the only system I can think of whose utmost potential has been reached in its first year. And don't tell me better looking games are going to be comming out (at least not without more framerate and processing issues) because the current stock of PS3 games can't even run without forced slow motion in many of them to hide the frame rate drops. Tell me I'm wrong all you want but the games speak for themselves.

Oh a baseless acusation, never get any of those.

Yea... baseless.. uhu.. and what points are those you feel you are making? I see none other than trolling and insulting people. I made a comment that you answered with "sony is europes toilet" and "when did europe ever matter in anything". Besides not even being able to spell my nick right. 

Do you feel those were valid points that deserved a serious answer? I think it was closer to "sidestepping the argument and answering with shallow attacks on my vanity". 

 Once again. Pot Kettle Black. Twice in a row now, Gballzack.

If you dont want Blu Ray nobody obliges you to buy 1.Stand alone player or Playstation 3 . 2.Even if you buy the Playstation 3 you dont have to buy BR films . But you will still benefit from 1.Great storage media from the BR for games . 2.Multiple localized versions of the game on the same disc and worlwide releases for some games . 3.Way greater resistence to scratchs of the format and better techology (transfer times ,it reads the whole BR instead of "Zones " ,etc ) . As for the topic itself look at this http://www.playfrance.com/news-infos-le-bluray-s-impose-en-europe.html For those of you that dont speak french I will translate it to you briefly :basically BR has 65% of the HD films sold this year in Europe and in the recent weeks the difference is growing to the point of 75% .So I guess we could say Hd-DVD is screwed worlwide by the BR .

If you can provide anything in the slightest to back up your claims you're more than welcomed to but other than that all I see you doing is arguing semantics and rhetoric. If you can think of a real issue to debate or argue by all means feel free, but until then don't expect anything more than what you're contributing to this discussion: nothing.

But you can't buy a PS3 without the Blu-Ray in it though, and that's at least a 200 dollar contribution to the system's cost if not more. That's the persective of the debate. Please try and read more carefully before responding next time.

I'm sorry if you are unable to respond in any meaningful way to what i said. By all means, keep trolling and keep insulting people. I can always ignore you i guess.

However if you do feel that there are factual claims that i have yet to back up, please specify them in a non insulting sort of way, and never fear - i shall get right to it! I sort of doubt that you will though :X