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Nintendo NX rumor: Twice the power of a PS4?

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Soundwave said:

The Nintendo of the early/mid 1990s is dead. 

I think the sooner people accept this, the sooner reality will set in. Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Hiroshi Yamauchi, etc are not in leadership positions anymore. 

I believe once Microsoft AND Sony both became successful in the game business, Nintendo realized there was no point in competing head on with power, because Sony/MS have so much money they would just one up Nintendo sooner than later and it's a pissing match Nintendo did not want to be in. You money-hat an exclusive, and MS will money-hat something else for even more money, and now you have to pay even more money to money-hat the next game. And on and on it goes, Nintendo realized this and I believe Mr. Yamauchi drilled into Mr. Iwata not to copy MS/Sony because it's a dead end. 

The days when Nintendo was competing against just Sega (a company much smaller than Nintendo) and Sony, which was relatively young in the business, are long since over. The reality of the market today is very different. 

Even towards the middle of the GameCube generation, Nintendo (Iwata and Yamauchi) expressed extreme frustration at hardware all being the same and games being available on all systems. What Nintendo fans don't understand is Nintendo *does not want* to be the same as the other two (for better or worse). 

Who said having decent specs is being the same as the other two platforms? Nintendo said they're not following the same approach to gaming as the other two not that they'll disregard any tech altogether.



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Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

The Nintendo of the early/mid 1990s is dead. 

I think the sooner people accept this, the sooner reality will set in. Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Hiroshi Yamauchi, etc are not in leadership positions anymore. 

I believe once Microsoft AND Sony both became successful in the game business, Nintendo realized there was no point in competing head on with power, because Sony/MS have so much money they would just one up Nintendo sooner than later and it's a pissing match Nintendo did not want to be in. You money-hat an exclusive, and MS will money-hat something else for even more money, and now you have to pay even more money to money-hat the next game. And on and on it goes, Nintendo realized this and I believe Mr. Yamauchi drilled into Mr. Iwata not to copy MS/Sony because it's a dead end. 

The days when Nintendo was competing against just Sega (a company much smaller than Nintendo) and Sony, which was relatively young in the business, are long since over. The reality of the market today is very different. 

Even towards the middle of the GameCube generation, Nintendo (Iwata and Yamauchi) expressed extreme frustration at hardware all being the same and games being available on all systems. What Nintendo fans don't understand is Nintendo *does not want* to be the same as the other two (for better or worse). 

Who said having decent specs is being the same as the other two platforms? Nintendo said they're not following the same approach to gaming as the other two not that they'll disregard any tech altogether.

Nintendo has said it. I'd suggest reading a Dolphin's Tale which is a really good retrospective on the GameCube, but you can see Nintendo's shift in attitude started then, both Yamauchi and Iwata were critical of game systems all being the same and all running the same games:

https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

Yamauchi during the GameCube era:

“Now software companies are going multi-platform, running one game on lots of consoles, just to sell that little bit more. Even Sega. I can understand why the industry’s flowing this way, but, speaking for Nintendo, I can hardly welcome it,” said Yamauchi.  “When a user chooses a game, he always searches for something new and fun in a way he’s never seen before. If games on Nintendo machines are do-able on other companies’ consoles, then we’ll lose those users’ support. If we can’t succeed in separating ourselves, then we won’t win this battle. And that’s the reason why I’m not overjoyed about multi-platform tactics.

And Iwata:

Besides criticizing the game industry for focusing too much on graphics, Iwata said competitors are too focused on developing blockbuster titles that are then revamped for multiple console formats.

Satoru Iwata said, “If that (keeps happening), the console business becomes a commodity business. There is no reason to choose one console over another, except price,” he said. “Then it doesn’t matter which machine you choose–they all play the same games.”

Those hoping for Nintendo to use an AMD Polaris (the same GPU as what's supposed to be in the Scorpio and is modified for the PS4 Pro) I think are going to be dissapointed. Nintendo will never use the same thing Sony/MS do, beyond what we already know from several leaked sources. 



Soundwave said:

Nintendo has said it. I'd suggest reading a Dolphin's Tale which is a really good retrospective on the GameCube, but you can see Nintendo's shift in attitude started then, both Yamauchi and Iwata were critical of game systems all being the same and all running the same games:

https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

Yamauchi during the GameCube era:

“Now software companies are going multi-platform, running one game on lots of consoles, just to sell that little bit more. Even Sega. I can understand why the industry’s flowing this way, but, speaking for Nintendo, I can hardly welcome it,” said Yamauchi.  “When a user chooses a game, he always searches for something new and fun in a way he’s never seen before. If games on Nintendo machines are do-able on other companies’ consoles, then we’ll lose those users’ support. If we can’t succeed in separating ourselves, then we won’t win this battle. And that’s the reason why I’m not overjoyed about multi-platform tactics.

And Iwata:

Besides criticizing the game industry for focusing too much on graphics, Iwata said competitors are too focused on developing blockbuster titles that are then revamped for multiple console formats.

Satoru Iwata said, “If that (keeps happening), the console business becomes a commodity business. There is no reason to choose one console over another, except price,” he said. “Then it doesn’t matter which machine you choose–they all play the same games.”

Those hoping for Nintendo to use an AMD Polaris (the same GPU as what's supposed to be in the Scorpio and is modified for the PS4 Pro) I think are going to be dissapointed. Nintendo will never use the same thing Sony/MS do, beyond what we already know from several leaked sources. 

Except the GC was over 14 years ago and guess what it was still one one the most powerful platforms of the gen which blows your whole point out the water you know why? Because despite what they said they still went for tech that was on par and competent highlighting that they will still use it. This is the point here Nintendo not copying the same approach as the competition doesn't mean they'll ignore tech on the market, if it's financially viable for their plans they'll use it that's the point.

Under the logic you're pushing if tech was free they'd ignore it still.



Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

Nintendo has said it. I'd suggest reading a Dolphin's Tale which is a really good retrospective on the GameCube, but you can see Nintendo's shift in attitude started then, both Yamauchi and Iwata were critical of game systems all being the same and all running the same games:

https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

Yamauchi during the GameCube era:

“Now software companies are going multi-platform, running one game on lots of consoles, just to sell that little bit more. Even Sega. I can understand why the industry’s flowing this way, but, speaking for Nintendo, I can hardly welcome it,” said Yamauchi.  “When a user chooses a game, he always searches for something new and fun in a way he’s never seen before. If games on Nintendo machines are do-able on other companies’ consoles, then we’ll lose those users’ support. If we can’t succeed in separating ourselves, then we won’t win this battle. And that’s the reason why I’m not overjoyed about multi-platform tactics.

And Iwata:

Besides criticizing the game industry for focusing too much on graphics, Iwata said competitors are too focused on developing blockbuster titles that are then revamped for multiple console formats.

Satoru Iwata said, “If that (keeps happening), the console business becomes a commodity business. There is no reason to choose one console over another, except price,” he said. “Then it doesn’t matter which machine you choose–they all play the same games.”

Those hoping for Nintendo to use an AMD Polaris (the same GPU as what's supposed to be in the Scorpio and is modified for the PS4 Pro) I think are going to be dissapointed. Nintendo will never use the same thing Sony/MS do, beyond what we already know from several leaked sources. 

Except the GC was over 14 years ago and guess what it was still one one the most powerful platforms of the gen which blows your whole point out the water you know why? Because despite what they said they still went for tech that was on par and competent highlighting that they will still use it. This is the point here Nintendo not copying the same approach as the competition doesn't mean they'll ignore tech on the market, if it's financially viable for their plans they'll use it that's the point.

Under the logic you're pushing if tech was free they'd ignore it still.

Well it provides insight into Nintendo's thought process and people who think Iwata did his own thing away from Yamauchi are wrong, Iwata's said many times, Yamauchi's insistence of being different drove the design process, and NX was designed largely under Iwata. 

Beyond that we don't have a single credible mainstream source that's actually been right in the past about something saying AMD Wunderconsole Nintendo. All sources that have a proven track record are saying Nvidia Tegra based hybrd with detachable controllers. 



Soundwave said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

For $400 it's quite reasonable and modern.  And that's the approach Nintendo has traditionally taken.  It was only with Sony and MS jumping the gun into HD and selling loss-leading machines at high prices pushing $600 more than a decade ago that Nintendo veared.  Today's Playstations are similar to the Nintendo approach up to Wii, where they use tech a few years old and sell it at a reasonable price, at a profit.  Both Iwata and Miyamoto made it clear they need to offer products that appeal to the Western, core gamer who enjoys consoles.  I expect NX to offer something for this market.  A gaming tablet is not it.

The Nintendo of the early/mid 1990s is dead. 

I think the sooner people accept this, the sooner reality will set in. Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Hiroshi Yamauchi, etc are not in leadership positions anymore. 

I believe once Microsoft AND Sony both became successful in the game business, Nintendo realized there was no point in competing head on with power, because Sony/MS have so much money they would just one up Nintendo sooner than later and it's a pissing match Nintendo did not want to be in. You money-hat an exclusive, and MS will money-hat something else for even more money, and now you have to pay even more money to money-hat the next game. And on and on it goes, Nintendo realized this and I believe Mr. Yamauchi drilled into Mr. Iwata not to copy MS/Sony because it's a dead end. 

The days when Nintendo was competing against just Sega (a company much smaller than Nintendo) and Sony, which was relatively young in the business, are long since over. The reality of the market today is very different. 

Even towards the middle of the GameCube generation, Nintendo (Iwata and Yamauchi) expressed extreme frustration at hardware all being the same and games being available on all systems. What Nintendo fans don't understand is Nintendo *does not want* to be the same as the other two (for better or worse). 

You're just repeating this stuff to brace yourself for disapointment.  



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That would really only work with an add-on power box, a mighty one.



TheLastStarFighter said:
Soundwave said:

The Nintendo of the early/mid 1990s is dead. 

I think the sooner people accept this, the sooner reality will set in. Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Hiroshi Yamauchi, etc are not in leadership positions anymore. 

I believe once Microsoft AND Sony both became successful in the game business, Nintendo realized there was no point in competing head on with power, because Sony/MS have so much money they would just one up Nintendo sooner than later and it's a pissing match Nintendo did not want to be in. You money-hat an exclusive, and MS will money-hat something else for even more money, and now you have to pay even more money to money-hat the next game. And on and on it goes, Nintendo realized this and I believe Mr. Yamauchi drilled into Mr. Iwata not to copy MS/Sony because it's a dead end. 

The days when Nintendo was competing against just Sega (a company much smaller than Nintendo) and Sony, which was relatively young in the business, are long since over. The reality of the market today is very different. 

Even towards the middle of the GameCube generation, Nintendo (Iwata and Yamauchi) expressed extreme frustration at hardware all being the same and games being available on all systems. What Nintendo fans don't understand is Nintendo *does not want* to be the same as the other two (for better or worse). 

You're just repeating this stuff to brace yourself for disapointment.  

I have (very) low expectations (chipset wise). I'm not the one who's going to be dissapointed, lol. The people who seriously think the Nintendo NX is going double the spec of a PS4 are the ones who are going to be very dissapointed. 

This is like the third time I've watched this same movie, there was a group of vocal Nintendo fans saying the Revolution (Wii) would have monster specs, and same with Cafe (Wii U) ... it becomes very predictable at some point. 

Here are some "leaked" Wii U specs (1.4 TFLOPS!):

http://wccftech.com/rumor-wii-2-specs-complete-specs-leaked-detailed/

Here's leaked Revolution/Wii specs:

http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/09/5344-2/

"Will be about par with XBox 360, but PS3 might be a little better"

Laugh. Out. Loud. 



Soundwave said:

Well it provides insight into Nintendo's thought process and people who think Iwata did his own thing away from Yamauchi are wrong, Iwata's said many times, Yamauchi's insistence of being different drove the design process, and NX was designed largely under Iwata. 

Beyond that we don't have a single credible mainstream source that's actually been right in the past about something saying AMD Wunderconsole Nintendo. All sources that have a proven track record are saying Nvidia Tegra based hybrd with detachable controllers. 

Nintendo's thought process back then also included never considering mobile but guess how that stands today, your main source for Tegra is a website that were flat out wrong before with the same rumour involving the 3DS so don't tell me about credible sources.



Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

Well it provides insight into Nintendo's thought process and people who think Iwata did his own thing away from Yamauchi are wrong, Iwata's said many times, Yamauchi's insistence of being different drove the design process, and NX was designed largely under Iwata. 

Beyond that we don't have a single credible mainstream source that's actually been right in the past about something saying AMD Wunderconsole Nintendo. All sources that have a proven track record are saying Nvidia Tegra based hybrd with detachable controllers. 

Nintendo's thought process back then also included never considering mobile but guess how that stands today, your main source for Tegra is a website that were flat out wrong before with the same rumour involving the 3DS so don't tell me about credible sources.

No the sources are Semi Accurate, Eurogamer, LPVG, Wall Street Journal, and IGN/Peer Schnedier. Peer in particular I take his word for because I've been following Nintendo online since 1996, and he's been covering Nintendo online since then. He knows his shit and he said they verified the hybrid thing with multiple sources. 

Nintendo is on record as recently as a year ago saying hardware power doesn't matter either, they wouldn't be saying that if they were making some decently high end piece of kit. 



Soundwave said:

No the sources are Semi Accurate, Eurogamer, LPVG, Wall Street Journal, and IGN/Peer Schnedier. Peer in particular I take his word for because I've been following Nintendo online since 1996, and he's been covering Nintendo online since then. He knows his shit and he said they verified the hybrid thing with multiple sources. 

Nintendo is on record as recently as a year ago saying hardware power doesn't matter either, they wouldn't be saying that if they were making some decently high end piece of kit. 

No the source is EG with others bandwagoning on it, if the is no Tegra any person pushing the rumour will look silly and for the record WSJ also reported news on NX being more powerful than PS4 previously as well which calls into question several things.

No Nintendo said that power shouldn't be the main focus in driving gaming they didn't say it doesn't matter that is a typical argument taking things out of context, they will still use powerful hardware if it is financially viable it just won't be the main focal point of their platforms.