Maven locates a scammer in his comment section... and engages while pretending to be a fan.

There's a lot of those out there. Typically pretending to be female wrestlers. There are enough that you have to figure that it works a reasonable amount of the time.

Nobody with common sense would fall for this, so I'm pretty sure they are meant to target kids or people with with intellectual disabilities which is very gross and sad. 

Why the fuck is anyone allowing 48 year old Jeff Hardy with a history of substance abuse dive off ladders through tables at this point in his career?

For some reason they are not showing the people waiting in the cagest in war games. Which kind of kills the vibe a little, but I assume this is being done for a surprise entrant in the men's match later on.

Alexa Bliss is the only one so far who seems to realize that you should probably be in a hurry to get into the ring to help your teammates XD.

Edit: Shows what I know. That was kind of a weird PLE.

That was pathetic. Go watch Blood & Guts from Nov 12th to see how War Games should be. Esp the women.

Maybe, but not as pathetic as this post.

Look, if you want to see people jabbing each other with forks or rusty fishhooks or broken glass or whatever they're doing over there these days, enjoy yourself. Not my thing. I have by this point long ago figured out AEW is not my thing, and I am very unlikely to enjoy watching any show they put on. So... I just... you know, don't watch it, and spend that time doing things I like doing.

You don't seem to enjoy WWE and last I recall you were on a soap box about how watching it like makes you directly support any bad things anyone in that organization does. Considering that, it is quite strange that you would have spent like three or four hours of your weekend watching an evil product that you clearly didn't expect to enjoy. I would seriously suggest that you reevaluate how you are going to spend the limited time you have on Earth. I would think there is something that can give you much more joy than hate watching a wrestling show run by the scum of the Earth. Maybe just follow your own advice and rewatch some of your favorite AEW stuff. I mean, if you think they're constantly putting on the best wrestling product in the history of the industry, surely you'd get more out of rewatching that then watching the dreck WWE is putting out yeah? I know that the people left in this thread would mourn the loss of your insightful and not at all hilariously tribalistic critiques, but I think I/we will get by. 

But, it's your life, and if you want to spend it hatewatching WWE, I guess that's your call. And, I have no problem with legitimate criticism of WWE (especially after last night's show), but the constant need to schill AEW makes it seem less like legitimate criticism, and more like fanboy nonsense. I know I'm not supposed to drop the F bomb round here, but it's really the best word to use here. Honestly, not a good look for you or the rest of the sicko ilk.

War Games is traditionally a blood bath in a roofed cage. Literally what it is supposed to be not a sanitized NASCAR ring. Just like Japanese exploding death match actually explodes not puffs of white smoke. If you're going to do a certain match type that is historically violent then do it. You don't want a PG-13 Robocop or a PG-13 Friday the 13th. T for Teen God of War or Doom. If you're going to do it. Do it right. Also it's one thing to not help your friend as they are pinned vs a gang holds a women down and forces her to give up watching her friend being beaten and tortured. One is story telling and the other is lazy. I don't care what the 3 letters say for a company when it comes to historical match types. Just do it right.

Here is a 1989 wargames match. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=199XbH91NYw

I see minimal use of weapons and it certainly does not come close to a blood bath. I think the war games match last night, the men's, featured more blood than this one. 

Here is 1987, I believe the first. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMi1dm9SiNY

I am not sure there is any use of weapons. Some people get a little blood, mainly from the use of the cage, but certainly not a blood bath. 

Here is 1991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAZ5pHDqk4s

Again no weapons. Not a bloodbath. Nobody is bleeding except Ric Flair because of course he is. 

Here is 1992.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUBpRjHZ7ew

A bit bloodier, still far from a blood bath. Again, no use of weapons I can see besides what is naturally in the ring. I.e. the cage, the ring ropes. 

Here is 1994.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTCaVx3IHgw

I actually don't see a drop of blood. Maybe I missed it, but seems like a pretty dry war games.

Will we find our bloodbath in 96?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byNc1JJf-sY

No we won't. Still looks dry as a bone to me. 

If there is a war games match that can fairly be called a blood match I cant find it. Feel free to share. Either way it is clear that blood has never been a mandatory component and certainly people were not trying to maim one another.

Here are the highlights of the blood and guts match you mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EKGd-zOpts

We have Skye Blue alone bleeding more than I think everyone in all of those matches I showed above combined. People wrestling outside the ring for some reason (didn't you say wargames had to be in a cage?), someone like... leaning back gingerly onto a bed of nails, broken glass, and an attempted table spot. Oh, and there was a puppet. If you are into that stuff, fine, but classic war games this ain't. I would argue that WWE's version is actually a lot closer as in the old school matches. 90% of those were just normal wrestling with occassionally bashing someone into the cage, as opposed to a series of deathmatch spots. And the amount of blood in the wargames matches, even the women's, were a lot closer to the wargames of old. A couple of people may have gotten color in each match, but it wasn't like everyone was just gushing out buckets of blood. Quite a few of the matches featured no blood at all.

If you like the AEW version better, I'm not going to argue especially since i only saw the highlights as defined by aew. Frankly, I don't personally care how similar either is to the original concept. Things evolve over time. But if your argument is that the blood and guts was better because it was somehow an accurate portrayal of what war games has historically been, lol no fucking way. War games was never a garbage wrestling match.

Now if you would have said something along the lines of "pathetic if you want to see a real war games match watch the 1989 war games match to see what it should be like" maybe I'd believe you actually were watching both with an open mind and just really care about the integrity of war games or something. But the fact is that neither of these are even close to what Wargames originally was. Yet WWE is pathetic for breaking the norms and AEW is the bestest thing ever that everyone needs to watch. Totally inconsistent. So, it's clearly not about historical accuracy and clearly all about the letters. ^_^

P.S.

As for the endings, I'm not sure what you're on about. Nobody was helping Becky because Iyo Sky had taken them all out with the trashcan jump spot. Becky backed away because she's kind of a bitch and was willing to abandon her team mates. So, nobody was left to help her. Of course, one wonders why the rest of them were standing there like morons just waiting for someone to dive on them, but that's modern wrestling for you. JR had called that out in AEW.

So, they're not helping their friend because, a) they are very clearly not her friends and b) more importantly cause they were all knocked out. Becky claiming she was trying to get their attention is an obvious lie which fits in her story with AJ and Karr. Not anything mindblowing but it was fine.

As for the ending of the blood and guts match, I don't know the background story, but I'm guessing it was fine in context. It's an ending I've seen at least a few times in wrestling, typically as a way to end an I Quit match where the heel is supposed to go over. Bret Hart vs Bob Backlund was along those lines, I know Edge did it to save Beth Phoenix. Maybe Bayley for Sasha once? It's fine. Pretty much every finish has been done before, but lets not act like they are reinventing the wheel here.

Especially when the finish was apparently copied and pasted from the match last year with the men where apparently Jack Perry would rather be lit on fire than give up so one of the Bucks had to surrender to save him. XD Classic Wargames right there! I remember when Dusty threatened to immolate Larry Zybyzko. XD Holy shit is this silly.

If the heels are going to win, and you don't want any babyface to be pinned, then you have to think of something. But, if the babyfaces are going to win, it's perfectly fine to just have them hit their finisher(s) and call it a day. I would assume that many AEW matches end in that fashion. Complaining that the faces winning with their finishers is bonkers. Im sure we could find lots of AEW matches that end just like that.

Again consistency is how we tell the difference between legitimate critique and tribal ravings.

So that's it.

That's the end of John Cena's career.

A lot of people have a lot of negative opinions regarding Cena tapping out to end his career - The guy who preached and lived "Never Give Up!" gave up and that's how his career ends.

I may be alone in this here, but I thought it was brilliant! I thought it was beautiful and poetic.

Because it wasn't so much about Cena giving up as it was about him letting go.
John Cena is DONE. He's finished. He has nothing left. It's over. After an amazing, incredible, 26-year career and a run on top unlike any other. With the exception of Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan, nobody else has had the long run on top the way Cena had. For a good 10-12 years from 2005-2016/17, John Cena was THE guy. For better or worse, he was The Man. And there are multiple generations of wrestling fans now for the last 20+ years, whether diehard, casual, or not even fans, who any time they think of WWE or pro wrestling in general - They think of John Cena.

And regardless of how big of a star he was compared to some of the stars and top guys that came before him (Hogan, Austin, Rock, Bruno, Backlund, Sting, Flair, etc.) None of those guys were as giving of themselves and as willing to put over everyone on his way out the way Cena was - Which in my opinion adds to his legacy and gives him an edge over those other guys. Regardless of your take on this retirement tour and how well executed or lack thereof it was, one thing that's not up for debate is how much Cena was willing to give of himself to put the other guy over. From Jey Uso, to Cody Rhodes, to Dom Mysterio, to Gunther. And even before the tour, from guys like Austin Theory to Solo Sikoa (The booking of those guys afterwards is another thing entirely.)

That was the whole point of this tour was for him to give back everything this business gave to him in the last 26 years of his life. Cena's love and passion for wrestling is as genuine as it comes and he understands the old-school mentality of putting over the other guy on his way out and leaving the place better than you found it. And he knows that, at 48 years old, he is not the same wrestler or even human being, physically, he was in his prime. He's weaker, he's slower, he's less explosive, he's not as athletic or agile, he's not as durable. His best days as a performer are way behind him. It doesn't make sense for him to be trying to hang with the younger guys and desperately trying to hang on to his former glory - That's how you end up with cases like Ric Flair in TNA, or Chris Jericho nowadays, or post-Streak Undertaker. Wrestling retirements are about as legitimate as a stripper's cup size because of guys who are battered, broken, sad shells of themselves tarnishing their legacy every time they try desperately to cling to their past and passion because they can't let go. And that's another reason why I think having him tap out and actually submit in his final match is the PERFECT send-off... Now whenever Cena says he's done - I believe him! Because that truly felt like "The End." There is no angle being played here. There is no vignette. There is no "out." There is no tease. No rematch clause. No title shot. No redemption arc. Nothing whatsoever that could even hint or elude to that fabled "One More Match." That's it. It's over. There is nothing more "Final" than the guy who never gives up - giving up. 

And that's ok.

Like I said, it's not so much about giving up as it is about letting go. Cena has nothing to be ashamed of. He gave wrestling everything he had and can now be content with walking away. That smile just before he tapped - That was a shoot. That was him being at peace with everything. Content and satisfied with everything he did in his career, all he accomplished, and how hard he worked, and knowing that this was the finish line and that there was only one thing left to do. That match with Gunther, especially that final sequence where he was fighting that sleeper for as long as he possibly could, doing everything to try and fight out of it and find a way to keeping going - Is a metaphor for his career. How long he fought, he hard he fought, and everything he did to keep going and keep pushing farther and farther. But Father Time is undefeated. Sooner or later, it's going to get you. And just like Cena decided it was time to let go when he made the announcement last year, he decided it was time to let go here and just submit.

And for the talks about the "Make-a-Wish" kids and how much of a role model he is to children and how him giving up is like a slap in the face to them or teaches them the wrong lesson - Because I've seen that argument too. Wouldn't it make more sense to teach those kids, ESPECIALLY the Make-a-Wish kids, that it's better to give it everything you have and live to the fullest extent possible so that when the time finally comes to let go and face the end, something we ALL have to do at some point - You can do so with a smile on your face and no regrets? Because I hate to break it to you, but a good chunk of those Make-a-Wish kids don't make it. And the ones that do will struggle in life, just like the rest of us struggle in life. And sooner or later, death is going to get us. The final destination will always be the same - So don't worry so much about the destination and just make the most of the journey getting there. So that once you do reach that destination, you can look back on the journey with pride, honor, and respect and smile - Just like John Cena.

So yeah, many may disagree with the finish. But I thought it was a perfect way to end John Cena's career.

I liked the finish tbh too.

The rest of the match was not the best though. I get why the way it was. It was Cena using the 5 moves of doom or whatever. A little highlight reel. Multiple aa's and 5 knuckle shuffles. It makes sense. Bought the crowd in to the match more.

I never particularly liked Cena as an in ring performer, but on the mic? One of the best to do it. He did do a lot for the business and giving back on this final run was great to see. As a human, he seems to... Do what he believes to be the right thing. He constantly praises Vince which I don't like but I accept that he is being genuine. The things he does away from wrestling, most notable is his make a wish contributions are second to none.

Was the top guy during a real average time in WWE, when the product after 2010 or so was quite dreadful. It would have been worse without him.

Sad to see him go overall but looking forward to the future.