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Azzanation said:
vivster said:

Stop it, you're making me depressed over a future that never happened.

We could have had 3rd party games by now.

You have  more than 3 platform's that offer you that though.

OP - N64 was a successful machine while the Gamecube didn't set the world on fire, Nintendo still broke even on it. 

There is nothing wrong with Nintendo and im glad there around trying newer things and staying unique. They have been doing since the NES.

You didn't get my point. The 3rd party games I'm referring to are from Nintendo.



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vivster said:
Azzanation said:

You have  more than 3 platform's that offer you that though.

OP - N64 was a successful machine while the Gamecube didn't set the world on fire, Nintendo still broke even on it. 

There is nothing wrong with Nintendo and im glad there around trying newer things and staying unique. They have been doing since the NES.

You didn't get my point. The 3rd party games I'm referring to are from Nintendo.

Are you saying you want Nintendo games to be 3rd party on other consoles? Im alittle confused



What is point of this thread and why people act like Wii that is easily best selling Nintendo console with more than 100m never exist!?



Azzanation said:
vivster said:

You didn't get my point. The 3rd party games I'm referring to are from Nintendo.

Are you saying you want Nintendo games to be 3rd party on other consoles? Im alittle confused

Yes, the point was that if Nintendo failed back then, we might have Nintendo doing 3rd party now.

Damn that Wii and DS to hell.



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agreed with some other comments, the Wii, Nintendo's biggest success, came after the Gamecube... it obviously didn't deter the company

 

also fun fact: Nintendo actually made MORE profit during the GBA / Gamecube era than Sony did in the same period from the Playstation 2 (the best selling home console of all time). The point I'm making is the Gamecube wasn't poor in terms of profit

hardware sales aren't everything. I personally think the system and its controller are fantastic. The mini disks may have hurt them with third party developers BUT it did stop game copying and, again, Nintendo had healthy profit in the period 



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vivster said:
Azzanation said:

Are you saying you want Nintendo games to be 3rd party on other consoles? Im alittle confused

Yes, the point was that if Nintendo failed back then, we might have Nintendo doing 3rd party now.

Damn that Wii and DS to hell.

I guess you could also say damn all their console profiting besides Wii U (at least during the first couple years)? Not sure if they were seriously in danger in falling out. SEGA left due to bleeding money, while Nintendo continued to gain profit. 



I was about to run in here and say they didn't do too much wrong with the Gamecube but you hit it on the head. Critique of its design (also available in black) seems irrelevant compared to the fact that Final Fantasy X, GTA3, Gran Tourism 3 A-spec, Metal Gear solid 2, Tekken Tag, Devil May Cry, Crash Bandicoot were all released exclusively to Ps2 before the Gamecube even hit stores. The first FIVE
titles are amongst the highest selling franchises of the generation. There was going to be no catching up for the Gamecube or Xbox. It's a clear loss to launch a year after your more successful Competitor. Imagine Xbox 360 launched holiday 2007. 

With the OG Xbox Microsoft at least cultivated a niche which turnt into the mainstream years later with the online gaming focus and it having the highest abundance of Western RPGs and Fps. This was reflected in how their sales of third party games really shot up later in the gen compared to GC

Nintendo however just rested on their laurels and made a few futile attempts to attract playstations audience who were of course very content with their playstations (secondary consoles are not common unless it's a wii). Again PS2 pretty much ticked all the boxes along with a headstart making it the obvious console of choice for the mainstream. The only boxes it didn't tick were online FPSs and WRPGs, both of which Xbox used to grow its brand.



pray4mojo said:
No, I'd say it was the N64. While it had legendary games, it got creamed by PS1 and was the first time they were manhandled globally.

Most definitely had some very great games. Makes me sad that I can't go back in time.



Soundwave said:
Jumpin said:

Not to mention Tekken, Tomb Raider, and the original Resident Evil Trilogy.

 

MGS and RE would've been on N64 if it used CDs, if it had FF especially. Tekken probably as well. Crash would've obviously been exclusive though.

Gran Turismo, Crash and Tekken would have been enough to make PS1 a success. I think Sony was involved in Tekken and they had Wipeout which was also successful.



vivster said:
Azzanation said:

Are you saying you want Nintendo games to be 3rd party on other consoles? Im alittle confused

Yes, the point was that if Nintendo failed back then, we might have Nintendo doing 3rd party now.

Damn that Wii and DS to hell.

Not exactly the future id prefer. Nintendo design there hardware around there games. If Nintendo had to rely on Sony and MS than id expect a drop in Nintendo quality. There games are great because there hardware inspires amazing games (not always the case, cough Star Fox Zero cough) 

Imagin Mario releasing every year on Xbox and PS, instead of unique game elements all we will get is slightly better visuals. If i want visuals id game on PC. Nintendo has been the king of gameplay since the 80s and id rather it stay that way.