CGI-Quality said:
To make such a judgment call, you'd need to know the exact specifics of each. So, I'm going to go with a "no", here. |
That's the kind of comments Pemalite usually has a lot of fun with. xD
Let's change the thread title to: "Some VGC guy thinks Project Scorpio will go toe to toe with 10TFlops PCs". xD
CGI-Quality said:
To make such a judgment call, you'd need to know the exact specifics of each. So, I'm going to go with a "no", here. |
Same reason why even iPhone 6s outperforms samsung galaxy 7. More time you have with a specific hardware and know what the target is, the more you will get out of it.
| starcraft said: I have not watched the video, but will respond to the OP. That the Xbox One S competes with the PS4P is self-evident? They are both consoles, they are both slight alterations to consoles that had a slight power differential. They are both touting 4K upscaling of games and 4k video display as key features (albeit with the Xbox One S having the 4k Blu-Ray drive the PS4P lacks). If your argument is that the PS4P has a sufficient power differential to make it out of the Xbox One S's league, that is your opinion, based on a completely unscientific term. But to an average consumer, the biggest differentiator of the two is going to be the current strength of the PS brand, and price. Feature for feature, these two consoles are absolutely in competition with one another. |
You have to look at both halves of the statement to understand the reaction. Claiming "the Pro and X1S are competing" isn't that controversial. Some would disagree, but nowhere near to the degree that we see in this thread. The issue is they're essentially saying "[x] and [y] and competing, despite [z], but [x2] is in another league, because of [z]". It's inconsistent.
On a side note, i think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say "they both tout 4k up-scaling of games" as if they're aiming for the same thing. It'd be like saying the X1 and 360 "both tout 1080p up-scaling of games". The former might have often missed a native 1080p target, but the latter did so by a larger degree. The X1's up-scaled 1080p was worth a lot more than the 360's in most instances.
CGI-Quality said:
That proves absolutely nothing. One, there's no actual source. Two, it continues to ignore a certain set of factors that go into such a conclusion. How did you conclude that the X1 Scorpio matches a PC with 3-4TF more theoretical power? |
1.84 * 2 = 3.68. I was just being generous and thinking maybe developers will get a beter grasp on PC gaming.
CGI-Quality said:
That still doesn't explain anything. Besides, where's the original Carmack source? You linked to a locked Forum Thread. |
John said you need a GPU twice as strong as the console counterpart to match it. Here is the link. http://i.imgur.com/u37rxN2.png.
GribbleGrunger said:
Can it? What does it look like? What price is it? Have you got any videos of it running? How are pre-orders doing? When will it release? Are the specs better or worse than the specs origninally shown? What's it called? |
He's obviously bought the spec sheet, duh!
Zekkyou said:
You have to look at both halves of the statement to understand the reaction. Claiming "the Pro and X1S are competing" isn't that controversial. Some would disagree, but nowhere near to the degree that we see in this thread. The issue is they're essentially saying "[x] and [y] and competing, despite [z], but [x2] is in another league, because of [z]". It's inconsistent. On a side note, i think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say "they both tout 4k up-scaling of games" as if they're aiming for the same thing. It'd be like saying the X1 and 360 "both tout 1080p up-scaling of games". The former might have often missed a native 1080p target, but the latter did so by a larger degree. The X1's up-scaled 1080p was worth a lot more than the 360's in most instances. |
Fair points.
I still haven't watched the video, perhaps he was particularly arrogant about it. But I'd have read the statement in the OP more as XBS and PS4P are competing (the self-evident bit), but Scorpio is in a different league. The latter I'd have interpreted as the ability to routinely run games natively in 4k, which neither of the other two consoles will do outside of very limited exceptions.
Of course, whether the Scorpio will actually achieve this is a different question entirely, and I am skeptical - but this thread contains an enormous amount of faux outrage IMO.
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GribbleGrunger said:
Can it? What does it look like? What price is it? Have you got any videos of it running? How are pre-orders doing? When will it release? Are the specs better or worse than the specs origninally shown? What's it called? |
You are so right... this is exactly why MS decided to say they were making a 6TF console as they must have known Sony were close to a release of the pro, because even if it doesnt exist it creates some people who will hold it up as a flagpole device even though it currently (and wont for 12 months at least) exist.
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CGI-Quality said:
That doesn't mean just match it spec-for-spec. It has to also include like-for-like scenarios, which is almost never the case, anyway. A 6TF console (remember, this is theoretical) is not going to perfectly match the power (the one that you're most concerned with - for gaming) of a 10TF PC. Plus, it's not just a matter Floating Point Performance (which many console-only gamers are hung up on). There are other things that need to be considered, such as the API, CPU, memory bus/bandwidth, and so on. |
Which favors consoles and xbox. Xbox doesn't need a heavy os like windows, they have api to specifically target the hardware and when talking about TF, xbox scorpio will match a 10 tf pc easily. Thats why you don't have games that look as good as uncharted 4 using a 1.8tf gpu on a pc. Sorry, but Consoles are better optimized than PC.
starcraft said:
Fair points. I still haven't watched the video, perhaps he was particularly arrogant about it. But I'd have read the statement in the OP more as XBS and PS4P are competing (the self-evident bit), but Scorpio is in a different league. The latter I'd have interpreted as the ability to routinely run games natively in 4k, which neither of the other two consoles will do outside of very limited exceptions. Of course, whether the Scorpio will actually achieve this is a different question entirely, and I am skeptical - but this thread contains an enormous amount of faux outrage IMO. |
I think the Scorpio will be able to hit a native 4k more often than it doesn't, maybe even always (ignoring when developers opt against it), but even then the average IQ jump between the X1S and Pro should be larger than the Pro to a native 4k (that just looking at linear pixel count jumps; if Sony's new up-scaling tech is as effective as they claim, then that gap will shrink).
Regardless, it'll definitely be interesting to compare the Pro and Scorpio once both are out. Perhaps even more interesting will be how people perceive the difference though. If Scorpio presents a huge advantage, it might give MS what they need to 'win' (at least on a year by year basis vs specifically the Pro), but if the difference is more in line with that between the PS4 and X1 (significant to those that value where it manifests, but not to those who don't), it might fall a bit flat. That'd be a pretty big blow to MS, given they're risking a much later release and likely higher price to achieve that advantage.
No doubt the console warz shall rage on no matter what the gap is though 
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