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So...

Xbox Scorpio 164 33.68%
 
PS4 Pro 213 43.74%
 
None. I'm cool with my console. 72 14.78%
 
See results 38 7.80%
 
Total:487
hinch said:
exclusive_console said:

They are going from 1.3TF to 6TF that is a huge and a gen jump unlike PS4 to PS4Pro. It will be intresting to see the price and the difference in visuals. By the time PS5 is released 4K will be more popular and probably main stream in 4yrs time

Its a big jump in performance but MS's PR people have said it themselves, the console is designed for native 4K gaming. And I'm willing to bet that running in 4K all will take up all its resources.

Even when you lower the resolution (1080 or otherwise), will we developers utilize all that extra grunt to improve IQ? Supersampling etc and improved AA is nice but like what other people have critisized the PS4 Pro for.. Will that be enough to entice people to upgrade?

Its not a new generation. For that both console manufacturers will need to participate in a new console standard. And the jump will have to be considerably bigger.

 

If you are saying it will basically have same gfx at 4K and that does not do well. TBH I will not be surprised surprised if Microsoft kills the Xbone and encourage dev to utilize the new console so 1080P user can play games at max settings 60fps



 

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I'm going to buy a PS4 this year, so I don't think I will bother with either of them for the time being.



                
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Pemalite said:
vivster said:

Because MS cannot suddenly pull 20 must have exclusives out of their hat to make people actually consider an Xbox over a PS4 that most of their friends have. X1 has shown over 3 years that it does not have enough to offer for people to consider buying it over a PS4. To suddenly reverse that situation it would have to produce value out of nothing that not only rivals PS4 value but doubles it. That's not what I call equal.

We will see how much behind X1 really is this Holiday with major releases on Sony side.

Sony has the games now, but it didn't always have them.
If you were to look over the last few years it seemed that Microsoft had all the best games in their hat ready to come, yet they still didn't make up any ground.

Nintendo typically has a massive ton of exclusives relative to the amount of multiplats on the Wii U and still hasn't seen much headway.
Ergo, it wouldn't be an insane idea to assume that exclusives have minimal effect on a consoles sales rate, it does help though for sure, but it's still not the winning factor it seems.

Graphics prowess is another aspect, where historically it hasn't been the defining factor on who wins a console generation.

Sony just had good advertising since it's original PS4 unveil which has given them a level of brand recognition that is envious to it's competitors.
And good on them, they played the right cards at the right time when their competitors made mistakes, that's what competition is all about.

I think people need to be realistic though, even with Scorpio dropping and having the technical advantage and likely superior multiplats, it's probably not going to be changing the current status quo in terms of hardware marketshare, which is unfortunate, I would like to see all platforms be fairly equal, competition is what drives innovation and lower prices.

It's not about just having exclusives, it's about having the right exclusives and having consistency.

Sony is the strongest console brand not just because of their amount of exclusives but the commitment to churn them out consistently. You buy a console for the long run and there is only one console manufacturer that basically has the guarantee that you will have all the multiplatform games and a steady flow of exclusives until the end of the console cycle, not just at the start. That's what makes Sony's brand so unbelievably strong. That and their legacy and strong ties to Japanese games. That means it is irrelevant how many exclusives Sony has at a certain point in time. They have the trust to be great in the future.

Which is why I think it's ridiculous to take PS3's recovery last gen and try to apply it to Xbox as a possibility for recovery. Weaker brands like Xbox are reliant on a head start because they are not able to recover thanks to brand power. The current situation is that even without brand power Xbox is still delivering less on the software side than Sony and there is no reason to believe that this will change. This gen Sony has all aspects of gaming on their side.

Sony has a steady stream of AAA exclusives, the most powerful hardware, best relation to 3rd parties, more indies, early jump on VR, early console upgrade, default choice for Japanese games and all that multiplied by 2 decades of successful legacy. Xbox has..... a handful of first party and timed exclusives.

The only thing to stop this juggernaut is if Microsoft announced partnership with Nintendo to deliver the home console dock for the NX combining the exclusives and strengths of both brands to one system. Though I'm not even sure if that is enough to stop a brand who is in full force and has everything going for it.

 

tl;dr
Xbox has zero chance to even come close to PS this gen without doing something exceptional. Releasing a slightly more powerful console a year late is not exceptional.



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exclusive_console said:
hinch said:

Its a big jump in performance but MS's PR people have said it themselves, the console is designed for native 4K gaming. And I'm willing to bet that running in 4K all will take up all its resources.

Even when you lower the resolution (1080 or otherwise), will we developers utilize all that extra grunt to improve IQ? Supersampling etc and improved AA is nice but like what other people have critisized the PS4 Pro for.. Will that be enough to entice people to upgrade?

Its not a new generation. For that both console manufacturers will need to participate in a new console standard. And the jump will have to be considerably bigger.

 

If you are saying it will basically have same gfx at 4K and that does not do well. TBH I will not be surprised surprised if Microsoft kills the Xbone and encourage dev to utilize the new console so 1080P user can play games at max settings 60fps

It will improve graphics (though not at 4K) and it will be good option for a lot of current console gamers who want improved fidelity in their games; and don't want to delve into PC's. Though PS4 Pro/Xbox Scorpio won't change the playing field.

I'm expecting 4K at 30FPS (native) to be the standard on Xbox Scorpio titles and all games to run at least 1080P like on the PS4 Pro.

So yeah.. Both machines are mid generation consoles. MS had to play ball and release a new console. Because the Xbox One would pale in comparision to the PS Neo - and Scorpio is the answer. A stop gap for gamers who want to play on their new 4K TV's until the next big thing comes out.. (PS5/Xbox Two)



hinch said:

Its a big jump in performance but MS's PR people have said it themselves, the console is designed for native 4K gaming. And I'm willing to bet that running in 4K all will take up all its resources.

This is what has me keen on Scorpio to see what customizations Microsoft has done to the SoC itself and how it's feeding it.


vivster said:

tl;dr
Xbox has zero chance to even come close to PS this gen without doing something exceptional. Releasing a slightly more powerful console a year late is not exceptional.

You do realise you just essentially agreed with me? :P

Scorpio's timing could either be a good or a bad thing for Microsoft, Really depends how hard they can push the Xbox One Slim with 4k this Holiday season, Scorpio releasing next year will likely mean Microsoft can win a few extra news cycles which might translate into more hardware sales.
Sony has this generation locked down though.




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Pemalite said:
hinch said:

Its a big jump in performance but MS's PR people have said it themselves, the console is designed for native 4K gaming. And I'm willing to bet that running in 4K all will take up all its resources.

This is what has me keen on Scorpio to see what customizations Microsoft has done to the SoC itself and how it's feeding it.

If I had to guess.. no ES RAM and a lot more CU's :P



If we gamers can see that huge difference in the Scorpio from the Pro..... then it will be interesting.

Of course theres also the software side.



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exclusive_console said:
hinch said:

Maybe, maybe not... Xbox One is still the baseline for developers when the Scorpio releases. And there won't be any exclusives (Scorpio only) for the console apart from VR. Hence its still tied down to this generation.

When PS5 eventually launches, you can be sure that MS isn't long to follow suit.

They are going from 1.3TF to 6TF that is a huge and a gen jump unlike PS4 to PS4Pro. It will be intresting to see the price and the difference in visuals. By the time PS5 is released 4K will be more popular and probably main stream in 4yrs time

Not a chance MS will continue to support the xbox one after 2017.

Why ??? In 2018 we will get ps5 with newer tech, that will be  another one vs ps4 scenario, and last time MS got his ass kicked.



my opinion is simple.

ps4 pro and scorpio have both stated they will not have exclusives but fully support their entire ps4 and xbox library respectively both forward and backward.

i have a hundred or so ps4 games: lots of those are via ps+ but probably at least 50-75 i outright own.

the only purchase decision i'm considering is between ps4 pro and the ps5 (or whatever is released in 3 years from now).



hinch said:
exclusive_console said:

 

If you are saying it will basically have same gfx at 4K and that does not do well. TBH I will not be surprised surprised if Microsoft kills the Xbone and encourage dev to utilize the new console so 1080P user can play games at max settings 60fps

It will improve graphics (though not at 4K) and it will be good option for a lot of current console gamers who want improved fidelity in their games; and don't want to delve into PC's. Though PS4 Pro/Xbox Scorpio won't change the playing field.

I'm expecting 4K at 30FPS (native) to be the standard on Xbox Scorpio titles and all games to run at least 1080P like on the PS4 Pro.

So yeah.. Both machines are mid generation consoles. MS had to play ball and release a new console. Because the Xbox One would pale in comparision to the PS Neo - and Scorpio is the answer. A stop gap for gamers who want to play on their new 4K TV's until the next big thing comes out.. (PS5/Xbox Two)

PS4Pro is is just 100$ more than standrad one. If you look at the specs only gpu has twice the amount of CU and overclocked list the cpu and ram to give more boost in performance. In comparision Microsoft new console is a generation leap to Xbone and it is probably going to priced at 500$. I will not be even little surprised if the difference between their console will be 200$