As some poeple are thinking that the ps4 pro just upscale games at 4k , digital Foundry already proved that a PS4 Pro aquivalent PC can run games like GTA 5 or witcher 3 at native 3200X1800  30FPS. Which gives credit to devs saying that we are getting near true 4k experience with ps4 pro "upscaling tech"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyU_SqD_MQ

That was fast! Got any links?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyU_SqD_MQ

Well if the PS4 can run games at 1800p, I see no reason to not believe that the Xbox Scorpio cannot run games at 4k.

Yep, makes sense. The games upscales to 4k and but render above 1080p while the detail settings are the same as on ps4.

Umm... so in fact, gives credit to people thinking that ps4pro* will upscale to reach 4k?

I'm not participating in the poll because the options are all lame, if something is sold as 4k gaming experience, question is if it achieves 4k or not.
"Near" 4k is not a specific metric, so there is no way one can prove that one way or another.  Sony never used the word "near".
That said, I have no problem with console itself, it matches my expectations for it completely.  Just not the fanb** hype and marketing BS.
Still waiting to see if they just upclocked PS4 Jaguar CPU, or if they implemented Puma+/etc.  That would be at high end of my expectations.

And of course I prefer devs don't try and target as high a res as possible (still sub-4k), but rather target FPS and graphics (+sound).
It could be that targetting something like 20% above 1080p and down-scaling would be more efficient than AA to achieve similar look, though.

*The "pro" designation is so ridiculously lame, as if it is "professional" camera or something.  It's a game box.  Nothing pro about it.  NEO was legit.

well I know it seems confusing but the thing is 4k TV already upscale ps4 games at 4k, so poeple might mixed up it with what the neo is actually doing which is close to true 4k experience

Yes they did. They said "close to 4k resolution".  Watch the talk after the PS confe where this Sony rep interviews various devs about the Pro. 

As nanzano stated, I have a 2016 4k television that up-scales to 4k already.

It is not native, but it even makes my Wii-U games look way better than on my previous 1080p television. A better television works wonders when up-scaling.

I'm well aware of the fact, and would expect anybody else paricipating in such a topic to also be,
and I do find your presentation here MORE confusing, in fact moving the goalposts to make it seem as if others' claims were not true.
Your entire poll is premised on obscuring people's original claims that p4pro/neo would need to upscale to reach 4k, which is born out by reality.
As I said, "near 4k" is a meaningless metric, 720p could be considered "near 4k".  So your entire poll is meaningless.

@Kowan: I did not watch the presentation video itself, because, well, onstage PR hype is not exactly a high information:time usage format.
I was referring to the pre-release hype of gaming media fed by Sony controlled-leaks, i.e. the basis of people's expectation before release.
You only need to read past threads on the subject to see countless posts of people expecting PS4pro/neo to be a 4k gaming experience.
The gaming media controlled-leak hype machine was full of stuff like "according to Sony's own documents, there is a focus on delivering 4k gaming content".(Eurogamer, calling it "PS4K" at the time)