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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Until the next generation shows up.

And what if Sony makes PS4 Ultra Pro with 10 TFLOP? 

The other issue here is with 3 year cycles there is not going to be some radically massive leap in processor technology available to these companies ... "PS5" will likely be a 3-4x leap over what the Pro is, that's not going to feel like some "new generation". There's only a finite amount of improvement AMD or Nvidia can give any of these companies in that small of a period of time. 

It's like going to be like smartphones, I bet a lot of people will even skip the PS5 now and wait for PS5 Pro, just like many people are going to skip the iPhone 7 for the 7S or even the iPhone 8. 

The days of going from a PS2 to PS3 or PS1 to PS2 and going "holy shit! this is a huge generation leap" are likely dead and gone. 

And what if gravity were to suddenly stop working? It'd be mass chaos as everything on earth is suddenly flung into the black abyss of space.

 

But don't worry, it won't happen. Just like "generationless" won't happen, because even if what people perceive as generationless happens, guess what?

 

It's just shorter generations. Because that's how technology is released.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

And what if Sony makes PS4 Ultra Pro with 10 TFLOP? 

The other issue here is with 3 year cycles there is not going to be some radically massive leap in processor technology available to these companies ... "PS5" will likely be a 3-4x leap over what the Pro is, that's not going to feel like some "new generation". There's only a finite amount of improvement AMD or Nvidia can give any of these companies in that small of a period of time. 

It's like going to be like smartphones, I bet a lot of people will even skip the PS5 now and wait for PS5 Pro, just like many people are going to skip the iPhone 7 for the 7S or even the iPhone 8. 

The days of going from a PS2 to PS3 or PS1 to PS2 and going "holy shit! this is a huge generation leap" are likely dead and gone. 

And what if gravity were to suddenly stop working? It'd be mass chaos as everything on earth is suddenly flung into the black abyss of space.

 

But don't worry, it won't happen. Just like "generationless" won't happen, because even if what people perceive as generationless happens, guess what?

 

It's just shorter generations. Because that's how technology is released.

It's already happened, the genie is already out of the bottle. 

The only way to keep the traditional console cycle would've been for Sony to stick to their guns and not release a PS4 Pro period. One PS4 for 5-6 years, no if,s ands, or buts, now that Sony caved and we know MS wants to go in that direction ... it's likely caused a domino effect that won't be stopped because the two will be constantly trying to one up each other. 

The systems are basically just PCs in a box anyway now, the days of consoles being something exotic and different are over too, guess they might as well become PC like in their sales structure too. You can't even pop a game in without having to install some damn 1929282 GB patch. 

Being able to say "yeah but it's still a Playstation .... FOUR!" is just semantics at this point. They've destroyed the old model. The whole "forwards compatibility!" thing is straight outta the PC side too. 

For developers it's basically the PC too ... now you don't have one version of any game actually made specifically for one hardware, they have to build it with like three different settings even, so when PS5 or whatever Sony wants to call it comes out, likely developers will be asked by publishers to also continue making the same game but on the PS4 Pro spec, because they don't want to lose that customer base. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

And what if gravity were to suddenly stop working? It'd be mass chaos as everything on earth is suddenly flung into the black abyss of space.

 

But don't worry, it won't happen. Just like "generationless" won't happen, because even if what people perceive as generationless happens, guess what?

 

It's just shorter generations. Because that's how technology is released.

It's already happened, the genie is already out of the bottle. 

The only way to keep the traditional console cycle would've been for Sony to stick to their guns and not release a PS4 Pro period. One PS4 for 5-6 years, no if,s ands, or buts, now that Sony caved and we know MS wants to go in that direction ... it's likely caused a domino effect that won't be stopped. 

The systems are basically just PCs in a box anyway now, the days of consoles being something exotic and different are over too, guess they might as well become PC like in their sales structure too. You can't even pop a game in without having to install some damn 1929282 GB patch. 

Being able to say "yeah but it's still a Playstation .... FOUR!" is just semantics at this point. They've destroyed the old model. The whole "forwards compatibility!" thing is straight outta the PC side too. 

I suppose every Slim model of every console ever released is also a sign of generationless?

 

Look, I get that you want MS to be right about this, but they aren't. If Sony and Nintendo have intention of releasing into new generations, but Microsoft doesn't, that doesn't mean we're generationless; it means MS is backing out.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

It's already happened, the genie is already out of the bottle. 

The only way to keep the traditional console cycle would've been for Sony to stick to their guns and not release a PS4 Pro period. One PS4 for 5-6 years, no if,s ands, or buts, now that Sony caved and we know MS wants to go in that direction ... it's likely caused a domino effect that won't be stopped. 

The systems are basically just PCs in a box anyway now, the days of consoles being something exotic and different are over too, guess they might as well become PC like in their sales structure too. You can't even pop a game in without having to install some damn 1929282 GB patch. 

Being able to say "yeah but it's still a Playstation .... FOUR!" is just semantics at this point. They've destroyed the old model. The whole "forwards compatibility!" thing is straight outta the PC side too. 

I suppose every Slim model of every console ever released is also a sign of generationless?

 

Look, I get that you want MS to be right about this, but they aren't. If Sony and Nintendo have intention of releasing into new generations, but Microsoft doesn't, that doesn't mean we're generationless; it means MS is backing out.

MS and Sony are on the same side of the coin on this. 

It will take 2-3 years before you start seeing PS5-only games because developers are going to want to keep supporting these "mid-gen" consoles, and I can't blame them because those new consoles will be starting from 0, whereas these machines (Scoprio/PS4 Pro) will have userbases of tens of millions by say 2019. 

You're going to end up though in a cycle where effectively not many games are made for any specific hardware ... they have to work on multiple different spec points ... which is a direct betrayl of the original "console generation" concept wherein one game is made specifically for that specific generation of hardware. 

We already saw this with the PS3-PS4 and X360-XBOne transition, it will be far worse next time because of this, and that is in effect blurring the generation lines. 

Microsoft isn't doing anything Sony isn't, they're just making a better piece of hardware and taking a bit more time, but they're both doing the same thing. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

I suppose every Slim model of every console ever released is also a sign of generationless?

 

Look, I get that you want MS to be right about this, but they aren't. If Sony and Nintendo have intention of releasing into new generations, but Microsoft doesn't, that doesn't mean we're generationless; it means MS is backing out.

MS and Sony are on the same side of the coin on this. 

It will take 2-3 years before you start seeing PS5-only games because developers are going to want to keep supporting these "mid-gen" consoles, and I can't blame them because those new consoles will be starting from 0, whereas these machines (Scoprio/PS4 Pro) will have userbases of tens of millions by say 2019. 

You're going to end up though in a cycle where effectively not many games are made for any specific hardware ... they have to work on multiple different spec points ... which is a direct betrayl of the original "console generation" concept. 

We already saw this with the PS3-PS4 and X360-XBOne transition, it will be far worse next time because of this, and that is in effect blurring the generation lines. 

No, you won't. Just because the mid-gen consoles are stronger doesn't mean they will be strong enough to run next-gen console games at any level, nor will it mean there is any intention to do so.



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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

I suppose every Slim model of every console ever released is also a sign of generationless?

 

Look, I get that you want MS to be right about this, but they aren't. If Sony and Nintendo have intention of releasing into new generations, but Microsoft doesn't, that doesn't mean we're generationless; it means MS is backing out.

MS and Sony are on the same side of the coin on this. 

It will take 2-3 years before you start seeing PS5-only games because developers are going to want to keep supporting these "mid-gen" consoles, and I can't blame them because those new consoles will be starting from 0, whereas these machines (Scoprio/PS4 Pro) will have userbases of tens of millions by say 2019. 

You're going to end up though in a cycle where effectively not many games are made for any specific hardware ... they have to work on multiple different spec points ... which is a direct betrayl of the original "console generation" concept wherein one game is made specifically for that specific generation of hardware. 

We already saw this with the PS3-PS4 and X360-XBOne transition, it will be far worse next time because of this, and that is in effect blurring the generation lines. 

Microsoft isn't doing anything Sony isn't, they're just making a better piece of hardware and taking a bit more time, but they're both doing the same thing. 

Lol, you're describing every gen ever. Devs and pubs always support the previous gen. Now, if they make it where you can buy one disc and play it on a PS4 or PS5, you'd have a point, but I highly doubt that's happening. Sorry, MS has no say over what Nintendo and Sony do. 

And BTW, Nintendo has been doing mid-gen refreshes on their handhelds since the beginning, so where has this BS generationless talk been? Oh right, it's only a thing cause MS wants to push it. Doesn't work that way.



thismeintiel said:
Soundwave said:

MS and Sony are on the same side of the coin on this. 

It will take 2-3 years before you start seeing PS5-only games because developers are going to want to keep supporting these "mid-gen" consoles, and I can't blame them because those new consoles will be starting from 0, whereas these machines (Scoprio/PS4 Pro) will have userbases of tens of millions by say 2019. 

You're going to end up though in a cycle where effectively not many games are made for any specific hardware ... they have to work on multiple different spec points ... which is a direct betrayl of the original "console generation" concept wherein one game is made specifically for that specific generation of hardware. 

We already saw this with the PS3-PS4 and X360-XBOne transition, it will be far worse next time because of this, and that is in effect blurring the generation lines. 

Microsoft isn't doing anything Sony isn't, they're just making a better piece of hardware and taking a bit more time, but they're both doing the same thing. 

Lol, you're describing every gen ever. Devs and pubs always support the previous gen. Now, if they make it where you can buy one disc and play it on a PS4 or PS5, you'd have a point, but I highly doubt that's happening. Sorry, MS has no say over what Nintendo and Sony do. 

And BTW, Nintendo has been doing mid-gen refreshes on their handhelds since the beginning, so where has this BS generationless talk been? Oh right, it's only a thing cause MS wants to push it. Doesn't work that way.

Not really. I don't recall a lot of cross gen NES/SNES games or PS1/PS2 games or PS2/PS3 games or XBox/XBox 360 ... those are defined generations, now we are basically going away from that towards developers being forced to make the same game with like 3/4/5 different performance settings. These are basically just PC boxes now, subsidized and sold at cost by Sony/MS with a handful of exclusives and that's it. 



Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, you're describing every gen ever. Devs and pubs always support the previous gen. Now, if they make it where you can buy one disc and play it on a PS4 or PS5, you'd have a point, but I highly doubt that's happening. Sorry, MS has no say over what Nintendo and Sony do. 

And BTW, Nintendo has been doing mid-gen refreshes on their handhelds since the beginning, so where has this BS generationless talk been? Oh right, it's only a thing cause MS wants to push it. Doesn't work that way.

Not really. I don't recall a lot of cross gen NES/SNES games or PS1/PS2 games or PS2/PS3 games or XBox/XBox 360 ... those are defined generations, now we are basically going away from that towards developers being forced to make the same game with like 3/4/5 different performance settings. These are basically just PC boxes now, subsidized and sold at cost by Sony/MS with a handful of exclusives and that's it. 

Were there as many as there are now? Probably not. But they still were there. Even more so when we got into the shift from PS1 to PS2. It's kinda hard to ignore 100M+ PS1's out there. Still, you couldn't pop a PS2 disc into a PS1 and expect it to work, just with less quality. That is what defines a new gen. Not whatever BS rational that MS or Xbox fans come up with to try to make them right.



Like others already mentioned, people are looking this generation thing completely black&white. It was like that in the past, NES--->SNES, SNES--->N64, PS1--->PS2...although at this point we started to see the same games on both PS1 and PS2 which were somehow comparable.

Now look back at the beginning of this gen. It was cross-gen for years, the very same games running on PS3/X360 and PS4/X1, the differences were small and very comparable compared to past.

When PS5/X2 releases, the power gap will be smaller than ever before thanks to Pro and Scorpio. It will take years before true PS5/X2 exclusives happen if ever. This is the generationless model and it will continue to blur even more.



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thismeintiel said:
Soundwave said:

Not really. I don't recall a lot of cross gen NES/SNES games or PS1/PS2 games or PS2/PS3 games or XBox/XBox 360 ... those are defined generations, now we are basically going away from that towards developers being forced to make the same game with like 3/4/5 different performance settings. These are basically just PC boxes now, subsidized and sold at cost by Sony/MS with a handful of exclusives and that's it. 

Were there as many as there are now? Probably not. But they still were there. Even more so when we got into the shift from PS1 to PS2. It's kinda hard to ignore 100M+ PS1's out there. Still, you couldn't pop a PS2 disc into a PS1 and expect it to work, just with less quality. That is what defines a new gen. Not whatever BS rational that MS or Xbox fans come up with to try to make them right.

The idea that Sony is constantly the shining knight in armor and MS is the "bad guy" is just stupid. Sony is doing the same exact shit MS is, they're just doing a crappier version of it and keeping the branding similar. 

But this is like a girl who's trying to convince herself that her boyfriend is the "good one" because he'd never cheat on her ... he just got a blow job from that other girl that one time, but that's not cheating because a blow job isn't sex. 

C'mon. This is real corporate cognitive dissonance if I've ever seen it.