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thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Capitalism is faulty to the core. Most countries in the world are capitalist yet there are vast differences between them. It's the worldsystemanalysis basically. Some countries are rich to the detriment of others.

Big or small government is a non-issue, imperialism is alwayst the highest form of capitalism, stemming forth from monopolies which form in such a system.

Big or small government is not an issue?  Bwahaha! Where do you think the cronyism comes from?  Without a big government that influences aspects of our lives that they shouldn't even touch, there would be no cronyism.  They wouldn't have the power to influence businesses or change the laws to favor certain companies, they would only have the power and objective to prosecute those who break the law.  And even that isn't perfect, as they could choose to go after one law breaker and not the other, but they would still have to break the law in the first place.  And it wouldn't allow a large government to stack the laws against smaller companies.

You mean businesses power over government? If you have a small government, large companies could use much more dirty tacticts to crush smaller businesses.



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WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

Big or small government is not an issue?  Bwahaha! Where do you think the cronyism comes from?  Without a big government that influences aspects of our lives that they shouldn't even touch, there would be no cronyism.  They wouldn't have the power to influence businesses or change the laws to favor certain companies, they would only have the power and objective to prosecute those who break the law.  And even that isn't perfect, as they could choose to go after one law breaker and not the other, but they would still have to break the law in the first place.  And it wouldn't allow a large government to stack the laws against smaller companies.

You mean businesses power over government? If you have a small government, large companies could use much more dirty tacticts to crush smaller businesses.

Kind of like how big government crush small businesses all the time by forcing way too much regulation and taxes on smaller business and turns a blind eye towards big cooperations since they are funding a lot of people who are in the federal government.

Big corporations love big government because they can buy the politicians out and force them to rewrite laws to make sure they keep their monopolies and they stay in control. Why do you think all the big corporations and people from Wall Street are funding Hillary?



Snoopy said:
WolfpackN64 said:

You mean businesses power over government? If you have a small government, large companies could use much more dirty tacticts to crush smaller businesses.

Kind of like how big government crush small businesses all the time by forcing way too much regulation and taxes on smaller business and turns a blind eye towards big cooperations since they are funding a lot of people who are in the federal government.

Big corporations love big government because they can buy the politicians out and force them to rewrite laws to make sure they keep their monopolies and they stay in control. Why do you think all the big corporations and people from Wall Street are funding Hillary?

Big government, small government, doesn't really matter. Big companies will find a way to make their influence known. Big government, try to steer legislation, small government, scare smaller competitors away.

What matters is how your society is structured, the size of government is a bit of a stupid metric to go by.



WolfpackN64 said:
Snoopy said:

Kind of like how big government crush small businesses all the time by forcing way too much regulation and taxes on smaller business and turns a blind eye towards big cooperations since they are funding a lot of people who are in the federal government.

Big corporations love big government because they can buy the politicians out and force them to rewrite laws to make sure they keep their monopolies and they stay in control. Why do you think all the big corporations and people from Wall Street are funding Hillary?

Big government, small government, doesn't really matter. Big companies will find a way to make their influence known. Big government, try to steer legislation, small government, scare smaller competitors away.

What matters is how your society is structured, the size of government is a bit of a stupid metric to go by.

The size of government does not simply mean how much it spends.

 

It means how big of a role it plays in all areas of public and even private life. That is what people mean by small and big government.

 

Also Capitalism is not going anywere when I know many young my age go #capitalismsucks...

While drinking a Starbucks Chai Latte Snapchatting on Iphone 6 lol



LadyJasmine said:

The size of government does not simply mean how much it spends.

 

It means how big of a role it plays in all areas of public and even private life. That is what people mean by small and big government.

 

Also Capitalism is not going anywere when I know many young my age go #capitalismsucks...

While drinking a Starbucks Chai Latte Snapchatting on Iphone 6 lol

I do know there are a lot of people who go #capitalismsucks in full hypochrit mode, but I'm a full blooded Marxist, so you won't hear me say it because it's fashionable (and frankly, we have so many good local barristas in my town, there is no reason to ever set a foot in Starbucks ;))



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WolfpackN64 said:
LadyJasmine said:

The size of government does not simply mean how much it spends.

 

It means how big of a role it plays in all areas of public and even private life. That is what people mean by small and big government.

 

Also Capitalism is not going anywere when I know many young my age go #capitalismsucks...

While drinking a Starbucks Chai Latte Snapchatting on Iphone 6 lol

I do know there are a lot of people who go #capitalismsucks in full hypochrit mode, but I'm a full blooded Marxist, so you won't hear me say it because it's fashionable (and frankly, we have so many good local barristas in my town, there is no reason to ever set a foot in Starbucks ;))

At least you are true.

 

Most I know are from wealthy famalies and will likely get a cushy coporate job as they have connections and make six figures and be a part of the system they rail against. 



LadyJasmine said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It's inherent of a capitalist system. If we want this solved, we'll need to change the system entirely.

 

I was find it hilarious people say capitalism sucks, yet every country that is seen as the best has capitalism.

 

The flaw is not capitalism, the flaw is how much of a role government plays in capitalism.

 

Reality is big government is wasteftul and not effective and becomes power hungary. Big business has no compassion or heart or any sense of purpose to a greater purpose. 

He didn't say capitalism sucks.

 

It doesn't. I'd be lying to myself if I said it's worse than the likes of socialism or any other system. However, with the current condition it is in, capitalism is allowing companies to find exploits, avoid taxes, and cheat the middle class.

 

Edit: By capitalism, I'm referring to the first world's economic system. It hurts me when I see that companies like Apple, Google, Samsung, and others do everything they can to avoid taxes and gain as much profit as possible



 

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WolfpackN64 said:
Ireland's tax rate is already low, and yet they opted for all kind of BS practices to pay practically nothing. Tim Cook can be all emotional about this hurting Apple and Ireland, but he can afford the taxes in Ireland no problem and he knows that. He doesn't really care about Ireland and it's people, he just wants to fill up Apple's coffers and give investors a lion share.

Pay your f* taxes like everyone else.

Don't be a tool. Ireland can only claim taxes upon the amount of profit have made within Ireland. Apple avoid taxes from all other EU countries and only pay Ireland for taxes on profits from within Ireland. They then say to other countries that they are headquartered in Ireland. If they were based in Germany or Belgium they would do the same thing.

It's not a small nations fault. We have low corporation tax because that's the way we want it. But again, our rate of tax is irrelevant. They pay the 12.5% on what we can claim....... If other countries don't like it, then they should lower theirs. Apple are abusing multinational agreements. While other nations try to bully Ireland because of it. If we increase our rate of tax, our indigenous small local companies could never compete, because we are a small island nation. 

Then there are those who say Ireland are the only ones with such issues. Hahahahaha! The USA are the biggest deal makers of any country. 



Ganoncrotch said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Ireland's tax rate is already low, and yet they opted for all kind of BS practices to pay practically nothing. Tim Cook can be all emotional about this hurting Apple and Ireland, but he can afford the taxes in Ireland no problem and he knows that. He doesn't really care about Ireland and it's people, he just wants to fill up Apple's coffers and give investors a lion share.

Pay your f* taxes like everyone else.

It's not just Apples fault though, our gov here are attrocious at doing everything in their powers to fluff numbers, currently our unemployment figures are at their lowest in years.... that said all that happens now if you are unemployed here is you get shoehorned into a course to teach you some skills to help you get a job, when I came out of work for a year in IT I was being pushed into a 6 month course on ECDL, just so that I would not be "unemployed" technically, these courses are of course paid for by the Gov and you get the same unemployment payment for their duration, but as long as you aren't technically unemployed the Gov are fulfilling their duties to keeping people in jobs.... it's pathetic here it really is.

 

For anyone who doesn't know btw, ECDL is the European Computer Driving Licence, it is basically a course to show you how to turn on a PC, open internet explorer and send an email. Course of that going on here for 6 months, that is from people who know I'm a certified IT support staff member, MS certified and CompTIA, literally being shown how to plug in a PC just so I'm not "unemployed"

Could you not believe the useless propaganda fed to you please. It's just plain silly. If you don't like how it is being unemployed in Ireland, try another country, where you get nothing! You are literally whining about getting a free education and how you get unemployment for free and help too up skill. Also your "technical" unemployment statement is completely false and something that SF (the political IRA populist filth) would utter which is absolute nonsense. You were still being paid unemployment, a social welfare payment, so you were on the live register. 100% and I am sure of that. 

 

Fyi, it took me 2 weeks at 3 hours per week to do ecdl. If you were unemployed, and getting free money, it's not really within your remit to be whining about being too good for the education provided. You need to take a deep breathe, step back and realise that you are deepening the Irish stereotype of wanting everything for free while whining about it. You have exaggerated beyond belief above and you have ranted your sweet hatred for your country. I on the other hand love my country, I think you should be happy to be handed free money when you were unemployed while in the USA you'd be homeless and handed nothing. And if you couldn't get a job, do whatever they say to keep your free money. And NO ecdl doesn't take 6 weeks. And if you didn't like it, stop taking the dole or get a job!! Either that or enroll in college, claim back to education allowance and get a free spring board scheme. Let me guess? You'll exaggerate about that too and claim some kind of nonsense. Makes me furious! The only thing wrong with your story above is that they gave you money for doing nothing and then offered a free education course to you, and you didn't appreciate it. You wanted to sit at home playing video games!!



Ganoncrotch said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Still doesn't explain why Apple shouldn't just pay the regular taxses though?

Ireland literally bends over and offers not only a chance to fuck our country but also a way to get into the EU market via the same hole. Would you turn it down?

Sure I agree that it is shit... but I think Apple would be daft not to take up the offer, Ireland make it so profitable for them here, I'm just shocked our Gov hasn't started offering Child Labour to companies who are willing to come here.

Disgraced at my Country, literally.

You're an anti Irish idiot. Just unfriend me seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about. Ireland can't possibly claim profit from other eu nations. It claimed that small figure as 12.5% of profits made in Ireland. They CANNOT do the same for profits from other eu countries. Apple are abusing multinational tax agreements. If they weren't in Ireland, they would be doing the same in Germany. If you actually knew anything about this rather than quoting an anti Irish, British paper (you idiot) you'd know that. Also you'd know that Apple were in cork before our low Corp tax and when they were a tiny company. 

Disgraced at your country? In the same illiterate way, I could make the same statement about you as an individual. You traitor. Go hate our brilliant little country somewhere else! You believe those who would drain our country dry and have us back in the fields. Idiot! Unelected European Commissioners. 

 

And the the worst thing? Every country has the same situation. Even the USA with Irish Giants CRH. CRH pay little to no tax in Ireland and employ 75k people in the USA. But again, you fall for the anti Irish nonsense. You are what is wrong with Ireland. The reason we need a low tax rate. Because people like you have no confidence and think they are only here for the tax rate! Dickhead! Next time you want to open your mouth and bad mouth your own people, realise that you offend my kids, my wife, and your own family! Traitor. And one that was treated well while unemployed and still manages to whine! Lazy, Whiney traitor! If you grew up anywhere else, you would be nothing, with no laptop, no broadband, no education, no dole and nobody would hear your whining for more free stuff. You are not entitled to anything. You are more than free to pay the Irish state back for your free education, the piles of unemployment you received, the children's allowance your parents received for you, the subsidised travel, and all the other free shit they have given you through tax payers over the years. Then you can whine freely. Hypocrite.

 

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