So they go to a place with a giant Jesus hanging out on a hilltop, but they don't like him mentioned on a headband? 100% Makes Sense.
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So they go to a place with a giant Jesus hanging out on a hilltop, but they don't like him mentioned on a headband? 100% Makes Sense.
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Zkuq said:
Yeah, doesn't fit my idea of good and evil either. Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone in any manner. On the contrary, it can bring people lots of joy (just like heterosexuality). I think you already got your answer from binary solo as to why homosexuality is a sin (which, apparently, is sort of a simplified statement). |
Pride also does not harm anyone. Neither ungratitude towards God, neither lust if I do not leave my room, the criteria is not "if it harms someone, it is a sin".
The criteria is what God meant us to do. Now, if you say you do not believe in the Bible, then nothing is a sin, the God that cares about sin is the Lord of the Bible, none other.
If you do believe in the Bible, then you are in luck: the God of the Bible send His Son Jesus Christ to pay for our sins. Not only homossexuality, but lies, luist, anger, greedy, the whole package, it is all evil, homossexuality is not worst than any of the others.
The thing is, if you do believe, then Jesus saves you, just call upon Him and He will do the rest.
If you don´t believe, then you do not care anyways, so either way you are fine. It is pretty simple.
Any "buts..." fit in the "I do not believe" section, so, there is really no reason for desesperation either way.
I guess believing or not believing are both choices we do for peace of mind: Jesus Christ is bigger than all of all sins and He saves us, if we believe.
If we do not believe, then there is no sin for us. Either way we are happy and that is cool.
binary solo said:
What does act homosexual mean? |
Engage in homosexual activity.
There should be a law that allows everyone to practise their faith.
| Dark_Lord_2008 said: There should be a law that allows everyone to practise their faith. |
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Zkuq said:
That's my problem with God. It might help if God told us why something is bad instead of just saying it's bad. In cases where something is harmful to others, it's easy enough to believe it's bad even without proper reasoning. But in cases where it isn't... Yeah, would make more sense if I got a reason it's bad. |
OT Freedom of speech ra ra.
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If you consider that the main concern of God is not directly what is helpful or harmful in this life, but the condition of your soul (the permanent, infinite part of yourself that lives on after death), and what God wants is for your spiritual self to be in its most perfect form possible when you die, then moral laws, like laws putting restrictions on ones sexual activity, are all about developing the the soul. So the why for these laws that restrict behaviour is because it's good for your soul. The next question is how is it good for your soul? It seems like selflessness and sacrifice and self-control are the things that get you spiritual growth. In a way it's like exercise. No pain, no gain. It's painful to deny yourself sex, the benefit the building your spiritual muscle. There are social benefits to sexual self control (less sex-related crime and unfaithfulness in relationships), but the important thing is self control, not socially imposed control.
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| Shadow1980 said: Well, this thread went way off topic really fast. Ignoring all the conspiracy mumbo jumbo and focusing on the claim that the IOC may censure Neymar, one of the IOC's by-laws does state: "No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas." If wearing an overtly religious headband (whether it says "100% Jesus" or "الله أكبر") is construed as running afoul of this rule, then he could be held liable for it. It would have nothing to do with "anti-Christian bias" or whatever. The Olympics are a private event and the IOC can set their own rules. Whoever doesn't like the rules is free to not participate. End of discussion. My beliefs, your beliefs, and the beliefs of every other Tom, Dick, and Harry are quite frankly irrelevant. |
I totally understand what you are saying and if I was a atheist I would applaud you. I would applaud you even if I had any religion other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
But, as Jesus Christ IS my Religion, meaning, the link between me and God, which is what Religion means, comes from "Religare", which means "to restore the link", then I applaud Neymar Jr. in this particular issue.
Why? Well, being a christian means believing that the New Testament is the word of God for us in how we suppose to live and the Old Testament is true history, not fairy tales: that is what we believe.
And in the NT the Lord Jesus Christ said: HE WHO DENIES ME BEFORE MEN, I WILL DENY HIM BEFORE MY FATHER.
So, in any oportunity we are forced to deny the Lord, a true christian feels a supernatural desiree to confess that Jesus Christ IS the Lord. This is christianity: a bunch of sinners that found shelter in the Son of God´s voluntary sacrifice for them.
One cannot be a true christian till he realizes he is evil and a sinner, Jesus did not come to save the good people, but the bad, as He said: I came to heal the sick, those that are not sick do not need a phisician.
So, I know that rules are rules but in the end of the day, I would do the same, if someone say to me "no Jesus allowed here", then I will confess there that Jesus is the Lord. Does not matter if they arrest or kill me. It is a matter of faith.
But I know it sounds like jiberish to people that do not believe. It is how it is, like, hindi don´t eat meats, budhists meditate and we love Jesus, just that.
I have a lady staying in my house who is Brazilian, she is here for a local festival. She is deeply religious but frankly comes across as a nut-case and I personally feel that the practice of religion in brazil , particularly the evangelical movement is distasteful and an affront to what real spirituality is about.
You see the extravagant lifestyles of these ministers and preachers and the overt, stylised nature of the sermons and the religious radio stations.... It is a money machine, nothing to do with bettering anybody except their own lifestyle.
The woman staying here continually listens to her radio station from Brazil and if she is outside she is singing the songs and clapping her hands to herself. People here are looking like she is a nut case and it is very uncomfortable to be around.
I would never deny someone their spirituality or religion but I really think it should be a personal thing and I hate that it has become commercialised and perverted for making money.
IOC is right to nip this in the Budd.
| Xbrah said: I have a lady staying in my house who is Brazilian, she is here for a local festival. She is deeply religious but frankly comes across as a nut-case and I personally feel that the practice of religion in brazil , particularly the evangelical movement is distasteful and an affront to what real spirituality is about. You see the extravagant lifestyles of these ministers and preachers and the overt, stylised nature of the sermons and the religious radio stations.... It is a money machine, nothing to do with bettering anybody except their own lifestyle. The woman staying here continually listens to her radio station from Brazil and if she is outside she is singing the songs and clapping her hands to herself. People here are looking like she is a nut case and it is very uncomfortable to be around. I would never deny someone their spirituality or religion but I really think it should be a personal thing and I hate that it has become commercialised and perverted for making money. IOC is right to nip this in the Budd. |
Oh yes, we have the crazy preachers and pastors here, but this is not, by all means, the case for all the churches or christians here.
There are a dozen of frauds and charlatans here getting money and fame in the name of religion, like in every place.
But there are real churches and millions of real christians, that are much more smart and moderated, I assure you.
In america you guys have the same thing: for every Peter S. Ruckman you get a dozen Steve Andersons... =(
I believe it is not necessary to give money to a preacher to achieve salvation, as it comes from Jesus Christ.
Showing faith by helping people, donating, things like that, it is beautiful. But giving away money to a flamboyant corrupt preacher is not cool, I agree with you
But the Lord is not to blame because of these guys, Jesus warned us about the thing they would do in his names, he warned us about the wolves in sheep clothing, well, he warned us in Matthew and Luke about pretty much everything that happened in these last 2 thousand years and that is happening right now.
So, yes, there are a lot of problematic churches out there, but even in Revelation this was prophesied, there were 7 churches in the first chapter, and only one of the seven was doing a decent job.
But salvation does not come from a church, it comes from the Lord Jesus Christ. So, these crazy people do not harm my faith, I can see what they are doing was forewarned by Jesus himself, so it should be a surprise to no one that read the New Testament.