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I don't know, it doesn't look all THAT great. It seems like you really have to look for things in order to appreciate it now graphically. And if those are photos, chances are the real thing won't look as good while you're playing the game . Sort of like the differences between 900p and 1080p or in some cases 1080p vs 720p. If you just play games to want to enjoy games you'll never notice it or care for that matter.

We've reached the point this generation I believe where realistic graphics can't impress that much or don't really matter.



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CGI-Quality said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:
I don't know, it doesn't look all THAT great. It seems like you really have to look for things in order to appreciate it now graphically. And if those are photos, chances are the real thing won't look as good while you're playing the game . Sort of like the differences between 900p and 1080p or in some cases 1080p vs 720p. If you just play games to want to enjoy games you'll never notice it or care for that matter.

We've reached the point this generation I believe where realistic graphics can't impress that much or don't really matter.

They may not impress some, but they will impress others. More than that, if this were the best it's going to look next gen, I'd agree. But, it's far from it. Plus, the current visuals from this gen aren't even the best of the best. So, never mind next gen. 

Finally, the image in the OP isn't just about looks. There is no video game, to date, that has taken advantage of scatter in that fashion (understandable given the hardware, particularly in the consoles, right now) - and that's jut a slice from a next gen scene in progress.

I don't know what you mean by scatter, but I can only guess if that's a term for describing objects and how they're utilized in a game environment.

This just sounds like stuff only a game designer or hardcore enthusiast in game design could appreciate.  Not so much a gamer.   Not that I don't appreciate advances in game technology, but it just feels like gaming has gone the way of the music industry.  Better equipment and output, but the soul is lost and no one feels like they're really getting a special game (or sountrack) so they end up pirating or waiting until a price drop (music pirating in the other case).  I just don't feel excited about this if everyone is only going to go for realism.



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GOWTLOZ said:
curl-6 said:

I know that on paper the specs divide is considerable, I was referring more to how that manifests in the actual visual impression that I see on screen. For instance, a game can have 10 times as many polygons, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will look 10 times as good to an observer.

I feel like the rule of diminishing returns combined with their mid-range-in-2013 hardware is preventing PS4 and Xbox One from providing the kind of gargantuan visual leap over PS3/360 that I have come to expect from the generational transitions I've lived through in the past. This is the first generation where I haven't had that "holy crap, how is this even a video game" moment that I got from Gears 1 in 2006, or Rogue Squadron 2 in 2001.

Driveclub looks incredible, you should play it to see what a huge upgrade the graphics have got this generation.

The big upgrades this generation have been in the image quality and dynamic lighting which are not easily observed on the internet. When you play it you will be amazed.

I have played Drive Club. It looks very pretty, (though 30fps in a racing game rubs me the wrong way) but it still doesn't strike me as presenting the same kind of vast leap over PS3/360's best as previous generational transitions did. Honestly, there hasn't been a single game on PS4 or Xbox One so far that has "amazed" me. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty that look very beautiful, like Uncharted 4, Ryse Son of Rome, Star Wars Battlefront, etc, but honestly, the last time a game "amazed" me was Uncharted 2 back in 2009.

At this point I suspect I'll have to wait for the next generation of consoles to see the quantum leap over PS3/360 that I expected this gen.



curl-6 said:

I have played Drive Club. It looks very pretty, (though 30fps in a racing game rubs me the wrong way) but it still doesn't strike me as presenting the same kind of vast leap over PS3/360's best as previous generational transitions did. Honestly, there hasn't been a single game on PS4 or Xbox One so far that has "amazed" me. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty that look very beautiful, like Uncharted 4, Ryse Son of Rome, Star Wars Battlefront, etc, but honestly, the last time a game "amazed" me was Uncharted 2 back in 2009.

At this point I suspect I'll have to wait for the next generation of consoles to see the quantum leap over PS3/360 that I expected this gen.

How much of a leap are we talking about here ? 

Are we talking about ray traced quality dynamic global illumination, pre-filtered quality antialiasing, more exotic translucency, or more sub-pixel geometry ?

I'd be surprised if the Xbox Scorpio has nothing to offer for you when it's 30x more powerful than last gen consoles in practice ...



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This gen its definitely PBR that is the new standard, and other new ways to do more accurate rendering. Some games already have GI or light bounce, which is pretty expensive in open world games [ they managed to squeeze it in on my last project ], but it can be easily achieved in corridor shooters.

Basically game engines over time are just integrating tech thats been around for a while from non real-time ones like Vray, as the hardware gets more powerful.

Also draw-calls were a big bottle neck last gen. Thats going to be largely a thing of the past now that many shaders/objects can be rendered in one pass. Releasing much overhead from the cpu.

On the asset side, photogrammetry is going to be a growing trend for realistic games.

Here is something for the interested:

http://www.frostbite.com/2016/03/photogrammetry-and-star-wars-battlefront/



fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

I have played Drive Club. It looks very pretty, (though 30fps in a racing game rubs me the wrong way) but it still doesn't strike me as presenting the same kind of vast leap over PS3/360's best as previous generational transitions did. Honestly, there hasn't been a single game on PS4 or Xbox One so far that has "amazed" me. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty that look very beautiful, like Uncharted 4, Ryse Son of Rome, Star Wars Battlefront, etc, but honestly, the last time a game "amazed" me was Uncharted 2 back in 2009.

At this point I suspect I'll have to wait for the next generation of consoles to see the quantum leap over PS3/360 that I expected this gen.

How much of a leap are we talking about here ? 

Are we talking about ray traced quality dynamic global illumination, pre-filtered quality antialiasing, more exotic translucency, or more sub-pixel geometry ?

I'd be surprised if the Xbox Scorpio has nothing to offer for you when it's 30x more powerful than last gen consoles in practice ...

I'm not referring to any specific technology, but rather to the more subjective matter of overall visual impression.

There may well be games on Scorpio that provide that leap I've been waiting for, I can't say yet. I'll know it when I see it.



curl-6 said:

I'm not referring to any specific technology, but rather to the more subjective matter of overall visual impression.

There may well be games on Scorpio that provide that leap I've been waiting for, I can't say yet. I'll know it when I see it.

You're asking for a pony ... 



fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not referring to any specific technology, but rather to the more subjective matter of overall visual impression.

There may well be games on Scorpio that provide that leap I've been waiting for, I can't say yet. I'll know it when I see it.

You're asking for a pony ... 

I'm asking for something the 5th, 6th, and 7th gen all had no problem with providing me with, but which the 8th gen has so far just hasn't delivered. I'm asking to be wowed.



curl-6 said:

I'm asking for something the 5th, 6th, and 7th gen all had no problem with providing me with, but which the 8th gen has so far just hasn't delivered. I'm asking to be wowed.

"Wowed" in what way exactly ? Be specific