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Frogger on 18 August 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
spemanig said:

Shuhei Yoshida has directly contradicted your assertion that there will definitely be a PS5.

Generations are dead, kiddos.

Since you're the guy who said the NX will be digital only I don't think many people are going to take your predictions seriously anymore.

The same rumor that people are now believing specifically said that Nintendo were planning to go digital only, but bailed out of it. I wasn't pulling digital-only out of my ass. There was, and still is, evidence supporting it.

I am also not sure if I believe this rumor yet like I did before. Some things are muddy.



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sethnintendo on 18 August 2016

This might be the last console generation for Microsoft. Nintendo and Sony? They will continue to make them.



sethnintendo on 18 August 2016
spemanig said:

The same rumor that people are now believing specifically said that Nintendo were planning to go digital only, but bailed out of it. I wasn't pulling digital-only out of my ass. There was, and still is, evidence supporting it.

I am also not sure if I believe this rumor yet like I did before. Some things are muddy.

Yea, if that was the case then they should have bailed out right when MS received major backlash for always online and ways to control the physical game resell market.  It ain't going to happen.  NX will most likely have carts.



deskpro2k3 on 18 August 2016

Since Satya Nadella became CEO, I believe he wanted to drop the Xbox brand, looks like it is happening.



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Libara on 18 August 2016

Very misleading title, suprised its not been fixed yet.
A console every 10 years will no longer be the case, but new hardware will still be released, by MS as well much to the disappointment of some on this site.



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Chazore on 18 August 2016
Arkaign said:

I also HATE the idea of walled garden ecosystems. It's aggravating as shit to someone like myself. I do absolutely applaud Microsoft for expanding Xbox and PC cross-platform franchising/marketing/UWA/etc. That's a great step that makes things better for consumers who choose their products. But at the same time, you can still run Steam on PC, Origin, whatever. If they close that off, then that's more company-specific BS that I can't stand. Even competing standards can be a bitch. Remember HD-DVD vs Bluray? Sucked for anyone who bought HD-DVD, and even if HD-DVD had survived to this day, that would still be a crap situation because then stores/RedBox/etc would have to stock a more diluted selection of SKUs, making it harder to find what you want, and more troublesome for them to provide. 

In my dream world, companies would compete at the content level and at the hardware quality level, but all that content could be accessed/utiliized anywhere. Zero exclusivity anywhere, so the best content could always reach the largest possible audience, and niche titles wouldn't be hamstrung by potentially being on a platform that few people have access to. 

Same, it's why I'm sticking with 7 for the time being until Linux picks up speed or Steam OS (well aware that it's a variant of Linux), I'm just not fond of how walled Windows 10 is with the whole Win store/Xbox intergration being a thing. THe pushing of DX 12 and not wanting to support an open API like Vulkan also puts me off their side of things because it shwos that they want to keep me locked behind their garden, if I leave I'm absolutely screwed unless I crawl back to them, no company should ever set themselves up like that.

I also agree with your dream. I like it when they work hard for your attention than simply forcing it via exclusivity and gate and key tactics that suit their own ends rather than yours and your freedom. 



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mountaindewslave on 18 August 2016

Microsoft has basically never made money from their video game division, I'm not surprised they're hoping that the video game market finally truly merges with PC's, it would make things so much easier and more profitable for them (i.e. look at how much they make in sales for Windows and the Office programs, they want something similarly easy to make huge margins on with video games but the process of creating the hardware and marketing to keep up with competition has made their numbers ehhh at times)



potato_hamster on 18 August 2016

Anyone who thinks consoles are going to move away from generations "like PCs", I have two words for you:

"minimum requirements"



Swordmasterman on 18 August 2016
potato_hamster said:
Anyone who thinks consoles are going to move away from generations "like PCs", I have two words for you:

"minimum requirements"

The Console market never had any kind of fowards compatibility, only backwards, saying that you support the Xbox One forever isn't a good statement. We aren't on a level where tech can't evolve. Titanfall 2's beta run in a resolution worse than 720P on the Xbox One, this is 1 year before the launch of the Scorpio. How will they be able to support the Xbox One and the Scorpio with the same games and at the same time ? A upgrade will always be needed, and not only for Resolution, but for everything else.



thismeintiel on 18 August 2016
konnichiwa said:

In 2013 if someone said we will have powerfull versions released in 3-4 years people would call you an idiot and if they would release a new powerfull console it will be a new generation it is that simple, today I not read anyone saying that neo or scorpio are new generations...Why?

The hardware sales will not be important anymore for devs but the ecosystem will. Sure Sony can state that in 2018 that they sold 80 million PS4's and 20 million Neo's but does that mean 100 million gamers? no because it could be that 15 million PS4 owners just upgraded to a Neo so technically it has 85 million gamers hardware sales will not represent the actual gamers but the ecosystem will.

And in 2020 we will see the announcement or release of a Neo 2 and Scorpio 2 and instead of developpers worrying about how much those consoles will sell they already will have a ecosystem where the game works on and will benefit gamers and devs. Because even if Neo 2 bombs and only sell 3 million first year their is this huge potential ecosystem on neo or even ps4 that buys a game.

How is the Neo any different from the Slim revisions, in terms of total system users?  There are many rebuys when it comes to Slims, as well.  Also, the next console after the Neo won't be called the Neo 2, it'll be the PS5.  Sony is not going with this false generationless BS.  I'm sure the PS5 will be B/C with the PS4, as B/C will be much easier when they are using off the shelf parts, but there will be exclusives to the PS5, which will mark the new generation.  And if MS stays in the console biz, you can bet they'll come out with a XB2 to compete with the PS5.