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Is Donald Trump a sociopath?

Yes 303 60.84%
 
No 195 39.16%
 
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fatslob-:O said:
JustcallmeRiff said:

He was referring to after the election and he was implying gun violence. If like you and the Trump campaign say he was referring to before the election and implying voting power. If that lie was true it would be a great day 4 Trump and his supporters if they voted before the election but if you continue to play the tape he immediately begins to walk back his statements by saying" it would be a terrible day"if the president was assassinated.

No he wasn't! There's nothing that definitively implies what he wanted supporters of the second amendment to do after the election but nice try twisting what his intent was ... 

I shouldn't even have to point out the idiocy behind this whole media blowout about Trump "supposedly" threatening Clinton when he makes it clear with the very first quoted statement of "Hillary want to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment" means that he's talking politics instead of getting personal or violent about it ... 

If you want to know what actual pro-second amendment supporters are thinking even the NRA thinks that Trump's most vocal critics interpretation is fucking stupid ... 

Facts don't affect Trump supporters. I bet you believe acorn will steal the election and the video of money being paid to Iran.



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fatslob-:O said:
JustcallmeRiff said:

He was referring to after the election and he was implying gun violence. If like you and the Trump campaign say he was referring to before the election and implying voting power. If that lie was true it would be a great day 4 Trump and his supporters if they voted before the election but if you continue to play the tape he immediately begins to walk back his statements by saying" it would be a terrible day"if the president was assassinated.

No he wasn't! There's nothing that definitively implies what he wanted supporters of the second amendment to do after the election but nice try twisting what his intent was ... 

I shouldn't even have to point out the idiocy behind this whole media blowout about Trump "supposedly" threatening Clinton when he makes it clear with the very first quoted statement of "Hillary want to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment" means that he's talking politics instead of getting personal or violent about it ... 

If you want to know what actual pro-second amendment supporters are thinking even the NRA thinks that Trump's most vocal critics interpretation is fucking stupid ... 

I'm sorry, but I am going for the context here. And it's clearly visible for me that he gives the people the idea of using the 2nd amendment against Hillary of trying to abolish the 2nd amendment. It's not that the media blows it out of propotion, but even the secret service went into action. So, they've got the message like everyone else.

Trump is not fit for president. He doesn't think before speaking and that one can get you into trouble when dealing with foreign countries. There is no room for such fuckups.



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JustcallmeRiff said:

Facts don't affect Trump supporters.

Much like how they don't affect his detractors ... 

Peh said:

I'm sorry, but I am going for the context here. And it's clearly visible for me that he gives the people the idea of using the 2nd amendment against Hillary of trying to abolish the 2nd amendment. It's not that the media blows it out of propotion, but even the secret service went into action. So, they've got the message like everyone else.

Trump is not fit for president. He doesn't think before speaking and that one can get you into trouble when dealing with foreign countries. There is no room for such fuckups.

Secret service interfering is a lie perpetuated by the mainstream media ... 

Even they're not making a big deal out of this since they're not dense enough to confuse Trump's true intentions ... 



fatslob-:O said:
JustcallmeRiff said:

Facts don't affect Trump supporters.

Much like how they don't affect his detractors ... 

Peh said:

I'm sorry, but I am going for the context here. And it's clearly visible for me that he gives the people the idea of using the 2nd amendment against Hillary of trying to abolish the 2nd amendment. It's not that the media blows it out of propotion, but even the secret service went into action. So, they've got the message like everyone else.

Trump is not fit for president. He doesn't think before speaking and that one can get you into trouble when dealing with foreign countries. There is no room for such fuckups.

Secret service interfering is a lie perpetuated by the mainstream media ... 

Even they're not making a big deal out of this since they're not dense enough to confuse Trump's true intentions ... 

Ok, I take the secret service part out. I was wrong there.



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acer67 said:
im more worried about hillary's habitual lying than trumps warped sense of humor!

starts around the 3 minuet mark:

 

3years ago :  Donal Trump "I do have a relationship with putin"

today :  Donal Trump "I have no relationship with putin"

today : "I didnt meet him in moscow"

2years ago: " I was in moscow resently, and I spoke directly and indirectly with putin, who could not have been nicer"

 

Donal Trump is like a pathalogical lier... the fact your claiming Hillary lies more? jeez, seriously doubt thats true.

He keeps saying things that contradict themselves, and has got caught in so many lies.



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Peh said:

Ok, I take the secret service part out. I was wrong there.

It could really help everyone a lot to cross check the claims that are made out there ... 

That been said though if the secret service didn't try to prosecute him for it or the NRA denouncing his statements for it then I think it's time for a lot of people to drop the BS about his threats and that especially applies to Elizabeth Warren when it's hardly a reasonable interpretation considering the time, place, and audience of where the speech was done along with his references to his opponents past record ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Lafiel said:

let's look at the quote again "By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks .. Although the 2nd amandment people, maybe there is. I don't know .."

it's pretty clear that "nothing you can do folks" is linked to the "maybe there is", so this "maybe" is not about whether or not the people should take action, it's about that this action _could_ influence the situation and stop the "effective abolishment of the 2nd amendment"

Hmm how should I say this ... 

He didn't say ANYTHING about the "second amendment people" using their guns or even hinted at it ... 

All he said is "maybe there is" but he didn't clarify anything about REVERSING it or REVOKING it with a FORCE of ACTION ... 

Yes there was ambiguity in Trump's statement but what he's doing is clear dog whistling when he accuses Clinton of abolishing the second amendment. His intent was clear enough to send a political message and not a message of violence when we look at the rest of the statements ... 

I have to disagree here

he says the 2nd amendment people, which is a very diverse group only connected by their love for (and usually ownership of) guns, have the possibility to influence what happens in a Hillary presidency (as I showed, the controversial sentence is linked to the one before it, therefore the context still is a Hillary presidency)

additionally the 2nd is very often touted as a way for the populace to "defend itself against a tyrannical government" and Trump certainly thinks of her that way (now - before his candidacy he spoke very differently of her) stating she was incompetent, crooked/the most corrupt candidate ever, the founder of isis and the devil

so in my opinion this can definitely be seen as a hint at violence, be that riots or otherwise, to possibly safe the 2nd amendment, which btw isn't in danger from Hillary as a plurality of democrats are very much pro-gun aswell

 

and as far as I know "dog whistling" in the political sense is a way to speak to a (often extremist) target-group within a crowd without alerting the normal people, like saying "the thugs are bringing down america" and meaning specifically afro-americans - as Trump outright accuses Hillary of wanting to abolish the 2nd, there is not much of a dog whistle (= a tone normal humans can't hear) there



Lafiel said:

I have to disagree here

he says the 2nd amendment people, which is a very diverse group only connected by their love for (and usually ownership of) guns, have the possibility to influence what happens in a Hillary presidency (as I showed, the controversial sentence is linked to the one before it, therefore the context still is a Hillary presidency)

additionally the 2nd is very often touted as a way for the populace to "defend itself against a tyrannical government" and Trump certainly thinks of her that way (now - before his candidacy he spoke very differently of her) stating she was incompetent, crooked/the most corrupt candidate ever, the founder of isis and the devil

so in my opinion this can definitely be seen as a hint at violence, be that riots or otherwise, to possibly safe the 2nd amendment, which btw isn't in danger from Hillary as a plurality of democrats are very much pro-gun aswell

Sure you can argue for that interpretation as much as you want but the content he was bringing up along with the audience doesn't match your case when his goal was to get pro-gun supporters ... 

There's no strong evidence to suggest from his speech that he was implying any sort of violence when that wasn't made explicitly clear and the fact that he was also trying to pick on Clinton's anti-gun background in his speech but I guess we'll agree to disagree since it's your opinion ... 

I don't know about the 2nd amendment not being in danger from Clinton when her history says otherwise when we take a look at her objection to the supreme court's ruling about DC vs Heller, being open to the idea of a buyback program, even more damning is her past record as it's one of the MOST CONSISTENT stance she's ever had for being anti-gun according to OnTheIssues ... (her voting record speaks for itself too) 

Anytime Clinton is asked a question about reaffirming her support for that consistitutional right she keeps dodging about the subject at hand while the NRA reprimands her every time for being against the second amendment without trying to even confront them ... 

Clinton should know that each time she delays her stance it only brings more uncertainty thus scaring away pro-gun democrats from her ... 

Lafiel said:

and as far as I know "dog whistling" in the political sense is a way to speak to a (often extremist) target-group within a crowd without alerting the normal people, like saying "the thugs are bringing down america" and meaning specifically afro-americans - as Trump outright accuses Hillary of wanting to abolish the 2nd, there is not much of a dog whistle (= a tone normal humans can't hear) there

He wasn't dog whistling about Clinton abolishing the second amendment, he was dog whistling for his firm SUPPORT on gun rights, big difference there as he's trying to capture their votes ... 



deskpro2k3 said:

Trump has no antisocial attitudes problem, but he is inciting violence. There are people that takes his words very seriously to heart. What is the word for people like that?

Trump on "2nd Amendment People" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ygeVnRxFA

So, when I heard the backlash from his comments, and I went and listened the speech. I don't see the coorelation as much as I was being told.

Real talk, how is this inciting violence any more than encouraging people to protest for any other perceived injustice? I see no difference in his comments about people standing up for what's important to them and the White House encouraging the BLM protests. I don't believe either person/group is inciting or wishing violence on people even though that may be the result of encouraging those people.



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It was a stupid statement, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he didn't mean it that way but he's engaged in "dog whistle" politics so often this campaign mixed with a stupid statement every 2-3 days that he's not being given the benefit of the doubt by a lot of people now.

The man simply is not very thoughtful about what comes out of his mouth.