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Ajax on 28 March 2008

that chart shows only the japanese n64 sales where it wrongly claims it shows the ww sales
while on the other hand the ps3 line does show the ww sales

how difficult is it to see that yourself...



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DKII on 28 March 2008

Sony fans seem to love to compare PS3's worldwide sales to other consoles Japan-only sales. It's especially amusing to watch them compare it to the PS2 which launched only in Japan for the first 7 months. ;>



Words Of Wisdom on 28 March 2008
DKII said:
Sony fans seem to love to compare PS3's worldwide sales to other consoles Japan-only sales. It's especially amusing to watch them compare it to the PS2 which launched only in Japan for the first 7 months. ;>

I'd rather believe that some people do this not because they're Sony fans but rather because they're just not well-informed enough to recognize the difference.  Of course, that may reflect even worse on Sony depending on how you look at it. 



leo-j on 28 March 2008
DKII said:
Sony fans seem to love to compare PS3's worldwide sales to other consoles Japan-only sales. It's especially amusing to watch them compare it to the PS2 which launched only in Japan for the first 7 months. ;>

 

Sorry, I didnt know N64 numbers were only in japan, dont have to act as if Im some idiot.

 

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hunter_alien on 28 March 2008

lol at 360 ( I just had to :P ) .



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MikeB on 28 March 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
MikeB said:
selnor said:
MikeB said:
PDF said:
I only see that Sony mangaed to pull out of the same track the DC was in and is now doing better

And there are more than enough anticipated PS3 games lined-up for Japan. MGS4 will help considerably in the short term. Once Final Fantasy and a slimline PS3 launches I predict Japan will go PS3 crazy.

The PS3 is a 10 year product strategy, for Japan it was a 1st round knockout against the 360, first punch knock out actually.

10 year product that is obselete in 2009. AMD and Intel release amzingly fast CPU and GPU combined processors which more than double dot productions in gaming. PS3 or 360 will not last till 2017. Both are equal in graphical capabilities. And niether will be able to run the new UE4 which is being developed for the new PC processors. Question is where does this leave ATI and NVIDIA?

 


The PS3 already has some of the technically most impressive games such as Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction Opinion, yet such games only scratch the surface of what can be achieved through PS3 specific game engine enhancements. Opinion

Consoles are easier to use, no fuss strainght forward and more seamless in usage for many things. Half-truth It's not only about raw power, but Windows by itself drains a lot potential PC perfomance Half-truth and games are never optimised to the extend console games are being optimised for the remaining power. Lie Consoles are also about value for money Fact, currently there is even no expensive x86 Windows PC available which provides the equivalent performance potential that the PS3 Cell processor can provide Lie nor do PCs offer a Blu-Ray drive by default Fact at console price points. Lie

The PS3 will get cheaper Fact and slimmer in course of time Opinion, the games library will rapidly expand Fact and improve in quality Opinion, the Blu-Ray movie library will expand Fact, new services like Home and PlayTV will be launched Fact, this all considerably enhancing the value for money ratio for the PS3 Opinion . If you understand this then you can understand why the PS2 is still selling pretty well Lie, but the PS3 is now much better specced than the PS2 was for the time the PS2 console launched Fact, much better! Opinion


I've provided a helpful legend with which to read MikeB's post.

Also - $130 BluRay PC drive


Heh Mr Troll, to address the alledged "lies".

- Nearly everyone knows in course of time consoles are being pushed better to their limits than PCs will, the reasons are actually quite simple, PC owners have a great diversity of differently specced hardware, different CPUs (also differently clocked), different RAM speeds, different GPUs, different motherboard settings and chips, etc. Thus games aren't being optimised as well for PC hardware as sofware will be optimised during a console lifecycle.

- The Cell processor and PS3 is being bought by scientists to mimic the human brain or research blackholes. The Cell is a pretty special very powerful general purpose processor.

- A 130 dollar PC Blu-Ray drive without a PC is pretty useless. You also need a casing, motherboard, RAM, CPU, graphics card, harddrive, likely Windows, mouse, keyboard, etc and probably a monitor and speakers. It will be more expensive and will not be a real PS3 replacement at all, something you comfortably use to watch movies and play games on the couch in the living room.

- The over 8 year old PS2 outsold the XBox 360 in January and February in the 360's strongest market according to NPD tracking. I think the PS2 still performs honorable.



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rocketpig on 28 March 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
MikeB said:
selnor said:
MikeB said:
PDF said:
I only see that Sony mangaed to pull out of the same track the DC was in and is now doing better

And there are more than enough anticipated PS3 games lined-up for Japan. MGS4 will help considerably in the short term. Once Final Fantasy and a slimline PS3 launches I predict Japan will go PS3 crazy.

The PS3 is a 10 year product strategy, for Japan it was a 1st round knockout against the 360, first punch knock out actually.

10 year product that is obselete in 2009. AMD and Intel release amzingly fast CPU and GPU combined processors which more than double dot productions in gaming. PS3 or 360 will not last till 2017. Both are equal in graphical capabilities. And niether will be able to run the new UE4 which is being developed for the new PC processors. Question is where does this leave ATI and NVIDIA?

 


The PS3 already has some of the technically most impressive games such as Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction Opinion, yet such games only scratch the surface of what can be achieved through PS3 specific game engine enhancements. Opinion

Consoles are easier to use, no fuss strainght forward and more seamless in usage for many things. Half-truth It's not only about raw power, but Windows by itself drains a lot potential PC perfomance Half-truth and games are never optimised to the extend console games are being optimised for the remaining power. Lie Consoles are also about value for money Fact, currently there is even no expensive x86 Windows PC available which provides the equivalent performance potential that the PS3 Cell processor can provide Lie nor do PCs offer a Blu-Ray drive by default Fact at console price points. Lie

The PS3 will get cheaper Fact and slimmer in course of time Opinion, the games library will rapidly expand Fact and improve in quality Opinion, the Blu-Ray movie library will expand Fact, new services like Home and PlayTV will be launched Fact, this all considerably enhancing the value for money ratio for the PS3 Opinion . If you understand this then you can understand why the PS2 is still selling pretty well Lie, but the PS3 is now much better specced than the PS2 was for the time the PS2 console launched Fact, much better! Opinion


I've provided a helpful legend with which to read MikeB's post.

Also - $130 BluRay PC drive


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Words Of Wisdom on 28 March 2008
MikeB said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
MikeB said:
selnor said:
MikeB said:
PDF said:
I only see that Sony mangaed to pull out of the same track the DC was in and is now doing better

And there are more than enough anticipated PS3 games lined-up for Japan. MGS4 will help considerably in the short term. Once Final Fantasy and a slimline PS3 launches I predict Japan will go PS3 crazy.

The PS3 is a 10 year product strategy, for Japan it was a 1st round knockout against the 360, first punch knock out actually.

10 year product that is obselete in 2009. AMD and Intel release amzingly fast CPU and GPU combined processors which more than double dot productions in gaming. PS3 or 360 will not last till 2017. Both are equal in graphical capabilities. And niether will be able to run the new UE4 which is being developed for the new PC processors. Question is where does this leave ATI and NVIDIA?

 


The PS3 already has some of the technically most impressive games such as Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction Opinion, yet such games only scratch the surface of what can be achieved through PS3 specific game engine enhancements. Opinion

Consoles are easier to use, no fuss strainght forward and more seamless in usage for many things. Half-truth It's not only about raw power, but Windows by itself drains a lot potential PC perfomance Half-truth and games are never optimised to the extend console games are being optimised for the remaining power. Lie Consoles are also about value for money Fact, currently there is even no expensive x86 Windows PC available which provides the equivalent performance potential that the PS3 Cell processor can provide Lie nor do PCs offer a Blu-Ray drive by default Fact at console price points. Lie

The PS3 will get cheaper Fact and slimmer in course of time Opinion, the games library will rapidly expand Fact and improve in quality Opinion, the Blu-Ray movie library will expand Fact, new services like Home and PlayTV will be launched Fact, this all considerably enhancing the value for money ratio for the PS3 Opinion . If you understand this then you can understand why the PS2 is still selling pretty well Lie, but the PS3 is now much better specced than the PS2 was for the time the PS2 console launched Fact, much better! Opinion


I've provided a helpful legend with which to read MikeB's post.

Also - $130 BluRay PC drive


Heh Mr Troll, to address the alledged "lies".

- Nearly everyone knows in course of time consoles are being pushed better to their limits than PCs will, the reasons are actually quite simple, PC owners have a great diversity of differently specced hardware, different CPUs (also differently clocked), different RAM speeds, different GPUs, different motherboard settings and chips, etc. Thus games aren't being optimised as well for PC hardware as sofware will be optimised during a console lifecycle. Read what I called a lie. It was not "being pushed to their limits," it was being "optimized more." You also used the word never which is a HUGE generalization. Supply proof that all console games are optimized more than PC games. Unless you can do that, I call BS on your statement.

- The Cell processor and PS3 is being bought by scientists to mimic the human brain or research blackholes. The Cell is a pretty special very powerful general purpose processor. Again read what I called a lie. The fact that you are saying that no processor is better than the gimped PS3 processor is laughable because it is surpassed by the real Cell that isn't partially handicapped due to cost limitations. Also the fact that you say the word "potential" in your statement makes it into even more of a laughing stock because until this mysterious potential is unlocked, we'll still be seeing 360 games better than or equal to their counterparts.

- A 130 dollar PC Blu-Ray drive without a PC is pretty useless. You also need a casing, motherboard, RAM, CPU, graphics card, harddrive, likely Windows, mouse, keyboard, etc and probably a monitor and speakers. It will be more expensive and will not be a real PS3 replacement at all, something you comfortably use to watch movies and play games on the couch in the living room. Read what you wrote MikeB. You asked for a PC BluRay drive at a "console price point" and I pointed out one with a price of half that of the Wii. You can't make a comment and then shift the goal posts, it doesn't work that way.

- The over 8 year old PS2 outsold the XBox 360 in January and February in the 360's strongest market according to NPD tracking. I think the PS2 still performs honorable. The reason for the PS2's success, not the success itself, is unrelated to all your talk of the PS3.


Fact.



Final-Fan on 28 March 2008

I hope that's sarcasm, rocketpig. The proper antidote to propaganda is truth, not counter-propaganda.



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rocketpig on 28 March 2008

- The Cell processor and PS3 is being bought by scientists to mimic the human brain or research blackholes. The Cell is a pretty special very powerful general purpose processor.


That's just it: The Cell is not a good general purpose processor. It does some things amazingly well while it's not so great at others. For scientific research where pure number-crunching is the goal, it excels.

As a general purpose processor, the Core 2 Duo has it beat. Now that's a good general purpose processor.

- A 130 dollar PC Blu-Ray drive without a PC is pretty useless. You also need a casing, motherboard, RAM, CPU, graphics card, harddrive, likely Windows, mouse, keyboard, etc and probably a monitor and speakers. It will be more expensive and will not be a real PS3 replacement at all, something you comfortably use to watch movies and play games on the couch in the living room.


The high-end PS3 is $500. For roughly $100-150 more, I can put together a gaming PC that will annihilate the PS3 in every way, shape, and form. It will perform office tasks, run Photoshop, Illustrator, browse the internet, and do almost anything I might require of it. It will also run Crysis at medium-high settings, something the PS3 could only dream of doing. I know this because right now, I'm scouting out deals to build a new rig for gaming.

And don't bring up monitor and speakers. After all, without a television, the PS3 isn't much fucking good to anyone, is it?




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