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Aeolus451 on 13 July 2016
JWeinCom said:
pokoko said:

Some people care about this a lot.  I mean, it's really important to them for some reason.  It's odd, since every console manufacturer has plenty of stuff that they directly took from somewhere else.  It's a meaningless argument to get caught up in.  Usually best just to move on.

The topic was specifically about what bothers people.  That's what bothers me.  

pokoko is simply saying that the debate about this is meaningless, not what you posted was meaningless. 



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JWeinCom on 13 July 2016
Aeolus451 said:
JWeinCom said:

The topic was specifically about what bothers people.  That's what bothers me.  

pokoko is simply saying that the debate about this is meaningless, not what you posted was meaningless. 

Fair enough.



Lawlight on 13 July 2016

When it comes to Sony as a whole, I'd say only their gaming division is top of the class. In everything else they fail - TV, phone, movies, you name it.



Normchacho on 13 July 2016

Hmmm...For Sony in general, I don't like how square their phones are and I think they can be slow to react to shifts in the market.

As for Playstation:

1. There are a few genres they haven't explored in a while that I'd like to see. I'd love for them to take another swing at a AAA fps. I'd like a more light hearted action game, and I think they should try bringing back more of their old franchises (Hoping R&C is a sign of good things to come).

2. They tend to drop things too quickly (Vita, PABR, Mod Nation racers)

3. PS4 UI could use some more features.



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Wright on 13 July 2016

Expecting me to pay again for old games instead of giving me a backward compatibility option. First Sony console I own and they choose to screw me up royally. I'm still holding my FF VIII copy in hopes a PS1 b/c gets patched one day.

My second biggest gripe with them is the fact that they force developers to add extra content on games that release on playstation systems but didn't debut on them (i.e. they were already on other consoles) or otherwise the game can't see the light on them. Though I'm not sure this rule is still enforced now.

 



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Mike_L on 14 July 2016
JWeinCom said:
Mike_L said:

Easy on the harsh tone. I still don't see why it's necessary. And be careful to call people's arguments stupid, ridiculous, failing, awful, etc. when your own arguments aren't of higher quality. Sports games were a big part of the Eyetoy Play series (I thought you had played those) and for instance boxing, table tennis, bowling and volleyball were part of the Eyetoy play series before Eyetoy Play Sports and Wii Sports even launched. But whatever.

 

1: Sigh.. Again, I never used the word rip off. You did and I believed it was unnecessary as companies are inspired by each other all the time.

2: Completely different? You said that Move and its motion controlled games were rip offs of Nintendo. I think there's a possibility that Nitnendo was inspired by the Eyetoy to make the Wii. Then the Wii inspired Sony to make the Move. But this is going nowhere so yeah. I agree. Waste of time.

That's the way I write.  If I'm doing something you think warrants moderation, feel free to click the button. I will call awful arguments awful if they are.  I will say an argument fails if it does.  When you're claiming that a game was inspired by a game that came out around the same time, and was announced after it was well into development, then that is an awful argument that fails.  You're adding more stuff to it now (btw I never said I'd played any of the eye toy games), but I responded to the argument you gave me, which was undeniably ridiculous, failing, stupid, awful etc.  You're free to call my arguments stupid if you could show that they are.  Judging by the fact you didn't, I'm going to assume they stand. 

I said the move was a rip off of the Wii, and Sports Champions was a rip off, and that Everybody Dance was a rip-off.   There are other Move games that weren't.  As for there being a possibility that Nintendo was inspired by the Eye Toy, no. there is absolutely none.

Underlined: I like how you still call my arguments ridiculous, failing, stupid and awful. Funnily it seems to be when you don't know how to respond. You completely ignored the fact that the Eyetoy Play series included boxing, table tennis, bowling, volleyball, etc. How convenient ;)

Bolded: See, my problem is your black and white argument where one company is ripping off and another isn't even in the least bit inspired. Imo both of these examples below are products of a company being inspired but according to you:

Inspired? Yes, "blatant rip off".

 

Inspired? No, "not in the least bit".

 

This is indeed a waste. I'm done.



Mike_L on 14 July 2016
pokoko said:
Mike_L said:

 

No, you're right. I took the "Sony only rip off Nintendo"-bait even though you’ve warned me against bait in the past.

I guess, I still have much to learn.

Some people care about this a lot.  I mean, it's really important to them for some reason.  It's odd, since every console manufacturer has plenty of stuff that they directly took from somewhere else.  It's a meaningless argument to get caught up in.  Usually best just to move on.

I'll just never understand why it'd be so awful to realize that every single company is inspired by other companies (especially by competitors that work in the same industry). That seems obvious to me.

It really is meaningsless. I won't bother again in the future.



JWeinCom on 14 July 2016
Mike_L said:
JWeinCom said:

That's the way I write.  If I'm doing something you think warrants moderation, feel free to click the button. I will call awful arguments awful if they are.  I will say an argument fails if it does.  When you're claiming that a game was inspired by a game that came out around the same time, and was announced after it was well into development, then that is an awful argument that fails.  You're adding more stuff to it now (btw I never said I'd played any of the eye toy games), but I responded to the argument you gave me, which was undeniably ridiculous, failing, stupid, awful etc.  You're free to call my arguments stupid if you could show that they are.  Judging by the fact you didn't, I'm going to assume they stand. 

I said the move was a rip off of the Wii, and Sports Champions was a rip off, and that Everybody Dance was a rip-off.   There are other Move games that weren't.  As for there being a possibility that Nintendo was inspired by the Eye Toy, no. there is absolutely none.

Underlined: I like how you still call my arguments ridiculous, failing, stupid and awful. Funnily it seems to be when you don't know how to respond. You completely ignored the fact that the Eyetoy Play series included boxing, table tennis, bowling, volleyball, etc. How convenient ;)

Bolded: See, my problem is your black and white argument where one company is ripping off and another isn't even in the least bit inspired. Imo both of these examples below are products of a company being inspired but according to you:

Inspired? Yes, "blatant rip off".

 

Inspired? No, "not in the least bit".

 

This is indeed a waste. I'm done.

Underlined:  You've got to be kidding me right?  I called your argument about Nintendo ripping off the Eyetoy awful, failing, ridiculous, etc.  This was AFTER I explained how the Wii idea was formed and when it was formed, and that it was literally impossible for it to be a reaction to the Eye Toy. (Which isn't even to mention that the Game Boy Camera was released in 1998).   That's not "not knowing how to respond".  That is actually a perfect response that contains conclusive evidence that you are wrong.  Which you ignored...  I also definitively showed that Wii Sports couldn't have been an eyetoy sports rip off because IT WAS DEBUTED BEFORE EYETOY SPORTS.  I'd say that's actually a pretty good response.  I called your arguments ridiculous, stupid, inane, dumb, fallacious, nonsensical, awful, illogical, fatuous, ludicrous, asinine, and vapid, because I showed that they are.  Can you please explain how I have not completely proven you wrong on the Eyetoy inspiring the Wii-mote? Don't complain about my arguments, unless you can actually show the flaws.

I've responded to basically every single thing you've said, aside from that one comment.  Meanwhile, you've cut out about 90% of the content of my post and completely ignored it.  Yet you expect me to reply to every inane point you make?  That hardly seems fair. But fine.

Considering the shittiness of your other examples, I really didn't feel like bothering to look into it.  And since I had already shown that you were dead wrong about Wii Sports being inspired by Eyetoy Play Sports, I really didn't feel like going through the whole process again.  But if you insist, I'll show how this one fails again.  You mention Volleyball, and there hasn't been a volleyball game in either Wii Sports.  You mention Bowling, which was introduced in eyetoy play 3, which was released after Wii Sports reveal.  That leaves you with boxing and table tennis, neither of which play or look similarly to the Wii Sports versions.  Watch the videos of them, and try to tell me that the two experiences are near the same. 

Furthermore, Nintendo had been producing Sports games since the 1980s.  They started making sports games before the NES was even released.  By the time Eyetoy came out, they had already released at least 25 sports games.  That includes a bowling game, about 4 tennis games, at least 4 baseball games, at least one table tennis game, dodgeball games,  volleyball, 3 boxing games, 7 golf games, and some hockey, football, and other games.  Every sport they included on Wii Sports is something they had worked on in the past.  Once gyration came to them with a motion controller, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it could be used in a genre that Nintendo had been working on for three decades.  They were obviously going to make sports games for their new system, and it's dumb to suggest they wouldn't have if Eyetoy Play didn't exist.
As for the Wii Play example, which seems to be the last one you have left, I admitted that those two games were indeed very similar.  Then, I asked you if there were other games in Wii Play that were similar to those found in Eyetoy Play.  You ignored that question, like you ignored most of the other things I said, and then acted as if I denied the similarity.  So please, stop making a strawman argument.  As far as I can tell, out of the 9 games in Wii Play, only one of them is similar to something that is found on Eyetoy Play.   If this one minigame is all you have left in your argument, then yeah.  The argument is ridiculous, pathetic, stupid, failing, and whatever other negative adjectives you'd like to add.  

oniyide on 14 July 2016

I hate this whole PS4 Neo thing.

I wish the Japanese game side would get a little more love. Hopefully Gravity Rush 2 gets pushed alot I loved the original on Vita flaws and all. I would love to see a Tokyo Jungle 2 with a bigger budget



oniyide on 14 July 2016

oh yeah the Vita! Great tech SO many wrong decisions made in the design of the thing. why is the goddamn battery there!?