1.  No.  Aside from the fact that they involve minigames and movement, there is little similarity.  Nintendo had been doing board gamed style minigame collections since 1998.  They had a new system with motion controls.  Do you really think Nintendo needed Monkey Mania to put two and two together? Are you seriously trying to tell me that after making 8 games in that style, they weren't going to make another one that highlighted their new system's selling point, whether or not they took notice of an obscure eyetoy game?  Now, do you think PSASBR would have existed in anywhere near the form it took without Smash Bros?

2.  I've seen videos.  Aside from the fact that they both have sports, they don't seem that similar.  The way they control is completely different (compare how the bowling games control), and from what I've seen, you're playing small snippets of each game, rather than a whole game of the actual sport.  For example, you do a home run derby, instead of actually playing a game of baseball.

And here is a fun fact.  Eyetoy Sports was apparently a Europe only release, which I couldn't have played even if I wanted to without a modded console or something. When did it release?  November 2006... So, just about the same time as Wii Sports.  Funner fact, Wii Sports was revealed at E3 2005, about a year and a half before Eyetoy Sports play was released.  Even more funner fact, the first trailer of Eyetoy Sports was released at E3 2006.  So, unless I'm wrong on any of these points, it is literally impossible for Wii Sports to have been "inspired" by Eyetoy Play Sports.  If anything, Eyetoy Play Sports was inspired by Wii Sports.  This argument fails on every possible level.  So I stand by saying your examples were awful. 

3. No, you can't really say it's inspired by it. If the fact that they're in the same genre and both involve moving is a pretty weak argument.  When they control differently, look differently, feature different activities, and are different in nearly every regard, you can't make a strong case that one was inspired by the other.  You can think they are, but there's nothing to really indicate that the Wii Fit team had Kinetic in mind when making Wii Fit.  There's really nothing even to conclusively show they were aware of Eyetoy Kinetic.  Eyetoy Kinetic didn't exactly set the world on fire, and wasn't even released in Japan where the team was working.

I brought up Mario and Sonic specifically to illustrate the difference between a rip-off (which is what I complained about) and being inspired by (which is what you were talking about), so you would understand exactly what I was complaining about.  Nintendo is inspired by other companies all the time.  Xenoblade (and to a greater extent X) for instance clearly takes a lot of inspiration from western RPGs, but it used that to create a unique experience.  It looks like the same thing for Breath of the Wild, so far.  Nothing wrong with that.  If Nintendo released Skyrim with Link as the protagonist though, that would be different. My complaint was about rip offs.  If you're talking about something unrelated then I don't know why you bothered.

4.  I haven't played it or seen much of it, so I didn't address it.  Those two games are undoubtedly similar.  Are any of the other minigames in the two games also that similar?

5.  I really don't know why you included an obscure game like that.  What did We Dance add to this at all?  Claiming Just Dance was inspired by Eyetoy Groove is pretty ridiculous.  Sony clearly didn't inspire themselves since the mechanics and visuals of Everybody Dance were nothing like Eyetoy Groove, and nearly indistinguishable from Just Dance. 

6. I used the word rip off, because the examples I gave were rip-offs.  I never said I had a problem with games being inspired by other games. God of War was most likely influenced by Devil May Cry, but I didn't complain about that one, becasue they changed enough to make it a unique experience.  If you're inspired to make something unique and possibly better, fine.  If you don't change much about the experience, and call it your own, then that's a rip off.

7.  Not sure why you think I'm losing anything, whatever that means.  I gave my opinion, you challenged it, then I defended it.  Don't challenge my opinion and then act as though I'm doing something wrong for defending it.  I don't like rip-offs, and I'm perfectly entitled to take issue with it. 

8.  Yes, and Just Dance was a completely different game, with completely different mechanics, completely differnent visuals, etc.  Everybody Dance lifted all of its mechanics directly from Just Dance.  Can you explain how Just Dance is similar to Eyetoy Groove besides the fact that they were both dancing games?  

Besides the fact, Just Dance was quite clearly inspired by Dance Dance Revolution.  But, instead of just making a clone of that game, they actually made something distinct. 

9. Yes, duh.  When you make changes to the point where the games no longer play anything like one another, it's not a rip off.  Again, this is why I didn't take issue with games like Crash, or Jak, or Infamous, etc.  When the two games don't even use the same kind of controller, don't remotely look alike, and don't share really any activities, then it is ridiculous to say one was a rip off.  If you can explain the major changes that Sony made in the examples I gave then go for it. 

10.  Yes, I called it a rip off, and you were the one that replied to me.  I naturally assumed that your response was related to my post.  If you wanted to talk about something different, probably should have made a different topic.

11.  How are the Eyetoy and Wiimote similar aside from the fact that they both involve motion?  They don't use the same type of technology, they don't look similar, they don't function similarly, they can't really be used the play the same games, (try to put Skyward Sword or Red Steel onto the Eyetoy.  Even games like Wii Sports would have to go through major major revisions.)  and so on so forth.  On the other hand, the Move has a nearly identical form factor to the Wiimote and is nearly functionally identical. 

This is the difference that seems to be eluding you.  Something like "they both have motion controls" is too vague and broad to claim one is a rip off of another, or even that one inspired one another, especially considering that motion controls date back to the Atari and NES days.  When you're dealing with games or products that change virtually nothing, then that's a rip off. Compared to the similarities between Eyetoy Groove and Just Dance, the similarities between PSASBR and Smash are specific and staggering.  Some amount of similarity is inevitable.  At a certain point, it becomes shameless. 

As for the condescending paragraph at the end, I never said anything about companies never inspiring each other.  The examples you gave were just really shitty examples of this where connections were questionable at best and impossible at worst.  You're attributing an argument that I never made to me (aka strawman argument). If I complain about Sony making shameless rip-offs, and you're responding by talking about something completely different, then yes, this is a waste of time.

Oh, and noone was baiting you.  The topic asked what I didn't like about Sony, and I answered.  Notice that pretty much everyone else simply moved on past it.  You're the one who felt it necessary to respond.  And if you want to, that's fine, but don't respond to me, disagree with me, then act like I'm trying to start an argument.  You responded to me.  

Easy on the harsh tone. I still don't see why it's necessary. And be careful to call people's arguments stupid, ridiculous, failing, awful, etc. when your own arguments aren't of higher quality. Sports games were a big part of the Eyetoy Play series (I thought you had played those) and for instance boxing, table tennis, bowling and volleyball were part of the Eyetoy play series before Eyetoy Play Sports and Wii Sports even launched. But whatever.

1: Sigh.. Again, I never used the word rip off. You did and I believed it was unnecessary as companies are inspired by each other all the time.

2: Completely different? You said that Move and its motion controlled games were rip offs of Nintendo. I think there's a possibility that Nitnendo was inspired by the Eyetoy to make the Wii. Then the Wii inspired Sony to make the Move. But this is going nowhere so yeah. I agree. Waste of time.

I'm in a rush, but their official soundbar for the PS3 was pretty bad for the price it commanded. Also, unless I'm mistaken the PS3 gold headset does not work with the PS4, which is horseshit.

Ps2 hardware emulation for the games that will probably never get remastered (yes I mean my own discs). And none of that download a digital copy crap like on xb1

He also hasn't reponded to any replies to him in either thread.

Eh, you should probably just ignore him.

@ OP

I would like to add to my list on Sony, lack of PS1 emulation for the PS4.  PS1 emulation must be an easy thing to include by now, even if they include enhancements like ePSXe does.  It's just a shame that I can't play my PS1 Classics on my PS4, when I can on my PS3 AND my PSP.

Not letting me change my PSN name...

That's the way I write.  If I'm doing something you think warrants moderation, feel free to click the button. I will call awful arguments awful if they are.  I will say an argument fails if it does.  When you're claiming that a game was inspired by a game that came out around the same time, and was announced after it was well into development, then that is an awful argument that fails.  You're adding more stuff to it now (btw I never said I'd played any of the eye toy games), but I responded to the argument you gave me, which was undeniably ridiculous, failing, stupid, awful etc.  You're free to call my arguments stupid if you could show that they are.  Judging by the fact you didn't, I'm going to assume they stand. 

1.  I don't care that you didn't use the word rip off.  I used the word rip off.  That was what I was talking about in my original post, and what you responded to.  Since you tried to change rip off to "inspired by", I illustrated several times the difference between rip offs and being inspired by another game to clarify my point.  I explained specifically why I was using the word rip off even though you didn't, so I don't know why you're still confused at all.  It was necessary to say rip offs because the examples I gave were blatant rip offs, and that's my biggest issue with Sony, which is what the topic was asking for.  

2.  I said the move was a rip off of the Wii, and Sports Champions was a rip off, and that Everybody Dance was a rip-off.   There are other Move games that weren't.  As for there being a possibility that Nintendo was inspired by the Eye Toy, no. there is absolutely none.  The company that came with Nintendo for the Wii idea, gyration inc, first went to Sony and Microsoft.  Microsoft laughed them out of the building.  Kutugari reportedly closed his eyes through the meeting, asked for the controllers to be made for 50 cents each, then passed when he was told that wasn't possible.  Gyration then brought it to Nintendo, who decided to license the patents, and then bought a large stake in gyration.

The basis for the technology was developed by former pilot Tom Quinn (who later founded gyration) in 1989, about 15 years before the Eye toy would come out.  Nintendo licesned the technology and comissioned development on a controller based on it in 2001, two years before the Eyetoy was released and one year before it was even debuted. 

There simply is no possibility that Nintendo was inspired to develop the Wii by Sony.  We know exactly what inspired them (gyration inc), we know exactly when it inspired them, and we know that the original idea was formed more than a decade before and not in the least bit based on the Eyetoy, presuming that Quinn did not travel through time.  You are factually wrong, and your argument is awful.

Some people care about this a lot.  I mean, it's really important to them for some reason.  It's odd, since every console manufacturer has plenty of stuff that they directly took from somewhere else.  It's a meaningless argument to get caught up in.  Usually best just to move on.

The topic was specifically about what bothers people.  That's what bothers me.