Mike_L said:
Easy on the harsh tone. I still don't see why it's necessary. And be careful to call people's arguments stupid, ridiculous, failing, awful, etc. when your own arguments aren't of higher quality. Sports games were a big part of the Eyetoy Play series (I thought you had played those) and for instance boxing, table tennis, bowling and volleyball were part of the Eyetoy play series before Eyetoy Play Sports and Wii Sports even launched. But whatever.
1: Sigh.. Again, I never used the word rip off. You did and I believed it was unnecessary as companies are inspired by each other all the time. 2: Completely different? You said that Move and its motion controlled games were rip offs of Nintendo. I think there's a possibility that Nitnendo was inspired by the Eyetoy to make the Wii. Then the Wii inspired Sony to make the Move. But this is going nowhere so yeah. I agree. Waste of time. |
That's the way I write. If I'm doing something you think warrants moderation, feel free to click the button. I will call awful arguments awful if they are. I will say an argument fails if it does. When you're claiming that a game was inspired by a game that came out around the same time, and was announced after it was well into development, then that is an awful argument that fails. You're adding more stuff to it now (btw I never said I'd played any of the eye toy games), but I responded to the argument you gave me, which was undeniably ridiculous, failing, stupid, awful etc. You're free to call my arguments stupid if you could show that they are. Judging by the fact you didn't, I'm going to assume they stand.
1. I don't care that you didn't use the word rip off. I used the word rip off. That was what I was talking about in my original post, and what you responded to. Since you tried to change rip off to "inspired by", I illustrated several times the difference between rip offs and being inspired by another game to clarify my point. I explained specifically why I was using the word rip off even though you didn't, so I don't know why you're still confused at all. It was necessary to say rip offs because the examples I gave were blatant rip offs, and that's my biggest issue with Sony, which is what the topic was asking for.
2. I said the move was a rip off of the Wii, and Sports Champions was a rip off, and that Everybody Dance was a rip-off. There are other Move games that weren't. As for there being a possibility that Nintendo was inspired by the Eye Toy, no. there is absolutely none. The company that came with Nintendo for the Wii idea, gyration inc, first went to Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft laughed them out of the building. Kutugari reportedly closed his eyes through the meeting, asked for the controllers to be made for 50 cents each, then passed when he was told that wasn't possible. Gyration then brought it to Nintendo, who decided to license the patents, and then bought a large stake in gyration.
The basis for the technology was developed by former pilot Tom Quinn (who later founded gyration) in 1989, about 15 years before the Eye toy would come out. Nintendo licesned the technology and comissioned development on a controller based on it in 2001, two years before the Eyetoy was released and one year before it was even debuted.
There simply is no possibility that Nintendo was inspired to develop the Wii by Sony. We know exactly what inspired them (gyration inc), we know exactly when it inspired them, and we know that the original idea was formed more than a decade before and not in the least bit based on the Eyetoy, presuming that Quinn did not travel through time. You are factually wrong, and your argument is awful.
