| The Fury said: Messi is one of the best forwards to ever play football, yet Ronaldo is a better overall player. This tournament hasn't changed that fact. Well done to him and Portugal on their win. |
explain yourself, please.
Hiku said:
Messi backing out of International football is indeed a BS move by him. (Maradona also claimed to quit a few times, but didn't, so we'll see how that goes.) And Ronaldo does indeed keep on fighting when he gets injured. (Though Ronaldo dives for penalties and Messi tends to stand up, so who fights on more can be argued.) But your reasoning is flawed. If Macherano's shot in the WC 2014 final had gone a few inches to the left instead of going one inch to the right of the post, that would have magically made all the difference for Messi? No. Just like whether Portugal won or lost the final when Ronaldo didn't play doesn't make a difference for what Ronaldo did for them. |
IMO it makes all the difference, because it's a trophy vs no trophy. How can you be the greatest ever if you cant win the WC? Yes, the CL is more loaded with talent but that also means that super stacked teams like Barcelona and RM have a much easier time. In the WC players get limited time together and they are also playing on a much bigger stage with many times the amount of viewers and entire nations on their shoulders. That pressure coupled with a one every 4 years chance of winning makes the WC a much bigger trophy than the CL to me.
Ka-pi96 said:
So in your view Luca Toni > Ronaldo then, yes? |
You need to be the best player of your team. Michael jordan had 13 teammates on his squad, but those trophys helped his legacy the most as the best player of those teams. Thats how it works.
| Anfebious said: Ronaldo >>>>>>>>Messi. Messi is an average player, he just plays in a great team. |
Messi brought a team with Higuaín to 4 cup finals. Ronaldo never played a CL final in the four years he played in Real Madrid alongside Higuaín.
Contestgamer, you have no idea what you are talking about.
contestgamer said:
You need to be the best player of your team. Michael jordan had 13 teammates on his squad, but those trophys helped his legacy the most as the best player of those teams. Thats how it works. |
Alright then Iniesta is better than both Ronaldo and Messi.
Player2 said:
Messi brought a team with Higuaín to 4 cup finals. Ronaldo never played a CL final in the four years he played in Real Madrid alongside Higuaín. |
That... is a very convincing argument!
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Oh how I hate you Higuain... you should have played for the French 
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he surpassed him quite a while ago. messi has talent but ronaldo also has ambition.
Player2 said:
Messi brought a team with Higuaín to 4 cup finals. Ronaldo never played a CL final in the four years he played in Real Madrid alongside Higuaín. |
Choking in 4 finals with the #1 team in the world is much, much worse than not making those fianls with a far worse team. The fact that Messi made 4 finals which he lost goes against him, not for him.
| 0815user said: he surpassed him quite a while ago. messi has talent but ronaldo also has ambition. |
Exactly. Messi is a more ambitious Ronaldinho, which isn't saying much. Ronaldo is the most ambitious player in history.
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