Ronaldo has surpassed Messi today

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Hiku said:

contestgamer said:

Ronaldo has had chokes, but he never "retired" He kept fighting and has now absolved himself with one of the greatest individual accomplishments in history. Messi is a choking machine on the international stage and until he wins a WC that wont change. One WC win would absolve him, but it hasnt happened yet. Until he stops choking endlessly I cant put him above ronaldo.

Messi backing out of International football is indeed a BS move by him. (Maradona also claimed to quit a few times, but didn't, so we'll see how that goes.) And Ronaldo does indeed keep on fighting when he gets injured. (Though Ronaldo dives for penalties and Messi tends to stand up, so who fights on more can be argued.) But your reasoning is flawed. If Macherano's shot in the WC 2014 final had gone a few inches to the left instead of going one inch to the right of the post, that would have magically made all the difference for Messi? No. Just like whether Portugal won or lost the final when Ronaldo didn't play doesn't make a difference for what Ronaldo did for them.

And Champions League today is above the WC in terms of quality because of money being pumped into club football. That wasn't the case 50 years ago.

IMO it makes all the difference, because it's a trophy vs no trophy. How can you be the greatest ever if you cant win the WC? Yes, the CL is more loaded with talent but that also means that super stacked teams like Barcelona and RM have a much easier time. In the WC players get limited time together and they are also playing on a much bigger stage with many times the amount of viewers and entire nations on their shoulders. That pressure coupled with a one every 4 years chance of winning makes the WC a much bigger trophy than the CL to me.