Luke888 said: Humans eat everything brcause it's their nature, imho we should stick to that. The only problem with meat consumption is the quantity and the quality that are wrong in many countries *cough cough US* |
I believe you're correct that quality and quantity are part of the problem, but not the only problem. It can be argued from an evolutionary biology point of view that we're very, very, very poorly suited to eating meat. Our biology couldn't have known that we were going to invent knives, or discover/control fire. Without tools and fire we'd be trying to kill animals with our bare hands, and then eat large chunks of meat raw. If we could actually catch and kill the animal without weapons, and if we could actually chew the meat without utensils to a small enough chunk that we could eat it without choking, and if we didn't die from all the risks humans have from eating raw meat, then you'd have an argument. Our intestines have approximately a 10:1 ratio with our "trunk" length (the distance from shoulders to hips), which is typical of an herbivore. That means we absorb too much of the fats and cholesterol from meat, and we get disease from it. Omnivores are far, far more likely to have heart disease and diabetes than vegetarians, and whole food vegans are essentially immune to both. We are capable of practicing an omnivorous diet, but so is a cow. But like a cow, we don't thrive on an omnivorous diet to the degree we do a whole food, plant-based diet. The oldest living populations on the planet are the most plant-based populations. Look at the Okinawans in Japan, they ate mostly plants and were the longest-living people in Japan. The U.S. set up a bunch of military bases there, the available foods in grocery stores and local restaurants shifted heavily towards the western diet, many people in Okinawa shifted towards a western diet, and now they're some of the least healthy and shortest-living people in Japan.
bananaking21 said: only if you hate yourself |
You state that as if it's universally true, and it's not. I love myself much more now that my diet and my ethics are in stronger alignment with each other. And my iron, and my calcium, are stronger than ever before thanks to simply eating the plants that animals get their iron and their calcium from.
Anfebious said: I lost around 25 kg with a diet that includes meat. Going vegan/vegetarian won't make you healthier or make you lose weight, take into account that people have to compensate a lack of vitamin with those diets. Sounds so unnatural... Besides you make cooks around the world waste time trying to cook your recipes. Do you even know how much time it takes to make some sprouted bread? |
Where to begin... vitamins come from plants and/or bacteria, not animals. Animals get their nutrients from eating plants (or eating animals that eat plants). Going vegetarian will reduce your heart disease risk a little, and going vegan will reduce it a lot, as just one of many examples of how it is healthier. (Like with any diet you have to do it right, there are unhealthy vegans, just as there are unhealthy omnivores, but a vegan diet done right is healthier than an omnivorous diet done right given the large number of diseases that are associated with eating animal products).
It's quite possible to lose weight on almost any diet. That said, population studies show vegans having the greatest degree of success with weight management, and omnivores the least success. So you can lose/manage weight as an omnivore, but most people on the Western diet nonetheless fail to do so.
EDIT TO ADD: You're seriously complaining about the time it takes to cook a vegetarian/vegan? Pulled pork wants to say hi. Hell, there is a device popular in omnivorous diets called a slow cooker! :) I'd add, raw vegans in particular obviously don't waste much of people's time in cooking and preparation of food.