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curl-6 said:

I didn't put anything in your mouth. You're the one who said motion controls were secondary when in most instances they default to "on" and are therefore the primary scheme.

 

You did.

"You stated Splatoon's motion controls were its "secondary" controls"

And the bold is you doing it again for this is what I said.

"That shows a shift in focus, Nintendo no longer sees motion controls as a primary control scheme but as a secondary/optional one as it should be."

I didn't just say secondary as you try to make out, however the full sentence is true. Nintendo most certainly sees motion control as secondary to traditional control now as shown by how they've scaled back on their mandatory implementations and how most games are mostly controlled by traditional controls with a traditional controller. Like I said earlier in games like Zelda and Splatoon motion is mostly used for aiming and nothing else while the rest of the game is played traditionally. It's no longer a tacked on inferior replacement for buttons for the most part.



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Motion Controls are garbage. Nintendo has ruined Zelda and Star Fox with them. But this doesn't want to be successful anymore so they think they can destroy their IPs.



Einsam_Delphin said:

You did.

"You stated Splatoon's motion controls were its "secondary" controls"

And the bold is you doing it again for this is what I said.

"That shows a shift in focus, Nintendo no longer sees motion controls as a primary control scheme but as a secondary/optional one as it should be."

I didn't just say secondary as you try to make out, however the full sentence is true. Nintendo most certainly sees motion control as secondary to traditional control now as shown by how they've scaled back on their mandatory implementations and how most games are mostly controlled by traditional controls with a traditional controller. Like I said earlier in games like Zelda and Splatoon motion is mostly used for aiming and nothing else while the rest of the game is played traditionally. It's no longer a tacked on inferior replacement for buttons for the most part.

When a control scheme is the default setup, it is the primary method, not the secondary method. Wii U obviously focusses less on motion than Wii, but almost every first party Wii U game still incorporates motion controls.



Is it me or is Reggie so boring to listen? Very corporate PR speak, also unlike MS and Sony execs, I've never seen anyone from Nintendo be humble and admit some mistakes.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Nem said:
Reggie and many Nintendo casual are not hardcore gamers. They don't care about things like responsive and precise controls.

Hardcore nintendo gamers are sadly a minority.

If hardcore gamer means being dismissive of "casual" fans and suspicious of new ways to experience games, then count me proudly outside of the hardcore cabal.

Hey i'm just pointing out the reality. Where you consider yourself to be is up to you. :)



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Nem said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

If hardcore gamer means being dismissive of "casual" fans and suspicious of new ways to experience games, then count me proudly outside of the hardcore cabal.

Hey i'm just pointing out the reality. Where you consider yourself to be is up to you. :)

I think I came on a little too strong (and grumpy), in any event. Hope it didn't seem like I was lashing out at you.

I just don't like the dichotomy between "hardcore" and "casual." 



curl-6 said:
Aeolus451 said:

So in other words, Argumentum ad populum would have us believe that the wii was a great console. /s

The popularity of something just means it was popular or well liked but with products, that's all that matters. Popularity typically translates directly into sales for the one who made the product or who owns it. Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey sold well. To the fans of the books, they're great but greatness is entirely subject and a moot point. 

"Motion controls are bad because they're not the popular method today" is argumentum ad populum, and argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

nobody is saying that, what people are saying is that if they were as good as you are claiming they would be far more relevant today. MS wouldnt have to have moved Kinect. Ninty wouldnt have felt the need to have a system based on a controller with a big screen. There would be another Move, etc.



oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

"Motion controls are bad because they're not the popular method today" is argumentum ad populum, and argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

nobody is saying that, what people are saying is that if they were as good as you are claiming they would be far more relevant today. MS wouldnt have to have moved Kinect. Ninty wouldnt have felt the need to have a system based on a controller with a big screen. There would be another Move, etc.

Well the Kinect was a technically superior but practically inferior product.  While it was more advanced than the Wii, it brought back problems the Wii solved, namely navigation of a 3D space. 

Motion Controls are contextually great, not generally useful though, that's why they have faded.  Consoles are intentionally "jack of all trades" proposals, intended to provide a good experience in nearly all genres.  Motion controls are master so a few specific things.  So a motion control based console or mandatory motion control peripheral doesn't make sense.  And optional peripherals just result in 3rd party developers not investing time and resources into games built for them. 

However, motion controls are finding a strong presence in the VR movement as their strengths and VR's strengths tend to be similar. 



MasterJulian said:
Motion Controls are garbage. Nintendo has ruined Zelda and Star Fox with them. But this doesn't want to be successful anymore so they think they can destroy their IPs.

I disagree. Motions controls can be really good when used very well. The Metroid Prime Trilogy and Red Steel 2 are great examples imo.



oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

"Motion controls are bad because they're not the popular method today" is argumentum ad populum, and argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

nobody is saying that, what people are saying is that if they were as good as you are claiming they would be far more relevant today. MS wouldnt have to have moved Kinect. Ninty wouldnt have felt the need to have a system based on a controller with a big screen. There would be another Move, etc.

They don't make many black and white movies these days, does that mean Citizen Kane and Casablanca weren't that good?