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Grey Acumen on 27 March 2008

I like the CDs, cause it forces developers to have a separate space for your game data to be saved. This means that game rental becomes simple and risk free.



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rocketpig on 27 March 2008

I prefer optical media because cartridges make for lousy frisbees.




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mesoteto on 27 March 2008

hmmmm.....

i have to say cars just because they strike me as a sturdier item

plus it was what we were all raised one...or at least most of us



 

darklich13 on 27 March 2008
kingofwale said:
I'm sick of blowing into cartridge,

its limitation in storage, the fact you can't store them like you can with CDs.

Unless they fix all that, I'm sticking with discs.

Blowing on cartridges puts moisture from your breath on the contacts and corrodes them over time. There was nothing wrong with the cartridges to begin with, assuming they weren't extremely dirty- and blowing isn't going to help in that case. It was the connectors in the NES which became worn and separated. The cartridge connector slides between two of the NES' connectors, which are stationary. When you push the cartridge down, it makes contact with the NES' connectors. Over time, these get worn and aren't as "springy" anymore, and contact is never made. The Famicom and NES2 don't have this problem, obviously. The reason Nintendo did it for the NES was because they thought the American audience wanted a more "professional" looking device, and not a "toy".

Why did blowing work then? Good question. Maybe the moisture from your breath bridged the connection between the cartridge and NES? Maybe it did nothing and you just needed to seat the cartridge a different way since the connectors were worn? Regardless, you are only doing damage, even if it "works".

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FreeTalkLive on 27 March 2008
Garcian Smith said:
Optical media for home consoles, cartridges for handhelds.
 I agree.  They are both great and useful. 

 



 

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mesoteto on 27 March 2008
darklich13 said:
kingofwale said:
I'm sick of blowing into cartridge,

its limitation in storage, the fact you can't store them like you can with CDs.

Unless they fix all that, I'm sticking with discs.

Blowing on cartridges puts moisture from your breath on the contacts and corrodes them over time. There was nothing wrong with the cartridges to begin with, assuming they weren't extremely dirty- and blowing isn't going to help in that case. It was the connectors in the NES which became worn and separated. The cartridge connector slides between two of the NES' connectors, which are stationary. When you push the cartridge down, it makes contact with the NES' connectors. Over time, these get worn and aren't as "springy" anymore, and contact is never made. The Famicom and NES2 don't have this problem, obviously. The reason Nintendo did it for the NES was because they thought the American audience wanted a more "professional" looking device, and not a "toy".

Why did blowing work then? Good question. Maybe the moisture from your breath bridged the connection between the cartridge and NES? Maybe it did nothing and you just needed to seat the cartridge a different way since the connectors were worn? Regardless, you are only doing damage, even if it "works".
 yeha but it was part of the history---one of the quircks that peole now laugh at and remember fondly---i bet in ten years the same will be said about he RROD....well that might be a stretch but you get the idea 

 



 

dschumm on 27 March 2008

I think if they do cartridges again they should be bigger than the ds. I swear I am going to lose my games setting it down. Hell they are small enough for the dog to lap up.

Overall I prefer carts though.

As for next gen

I don't see Sony going back to carts, Blu-ray is too full of win for them. MS ... maybe as they are trying to move to downloads. I can see a cart that you could take to a kiosk and bring home if you don't have internet....

Nintendo is the likelyest choice as they have the history with it . It would require an 8 GB flash cart to be under $5 for manufacture and I think they would go for it. 8GB is the same as dvd and would be enough for next-gen Wii I would guess.

They big reason I liek carts is that we could do away with moving parts in a game system. Until the RROD cd/dvd drives were almost the sole culpruit of broken game systems. Upside-down PS1 anyone?



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kingofwale on 27 March 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
kingofwale said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
kingofwale said:
I'm sick of blowing into cartridge,

its limitation in storage, the fact you can't store them like you can with CDs.

Unless they fix all that, I'm sticking with discs.

What do you see the limitation in storage being?


with equal storage, cartidge cost way more to produce than DVDs/Blu-Ray, and that is the limitation.

Cost (which directly links to profit) is the ultimate goal of any developers/publisher.


kingofwale, let me highlight the problem with your post.

Your response is not what I'm asking about. You mentioned a storage issue and I'd like to know what you were talking about. In fact, by responding talking about cost, you are quite clearly dodging my question (and viper's). Now don't dodge our questions kingofwale, look back at your above post (I've highlighted it to help you) and then explain to us what you were talking about.


 

 

see the size difference? Thin is in.



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Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

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Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
Words Of Wisdom on 27 March 2008
kingofwale said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
kingofwale said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
kingofwale said:
I'm sick of blowing into cartridge,

its limitation in storage, the fact you can't store them like you can with CDs.

Unless they fix all that, I'm sticking with discs.

What do you see the limitation in storage being?


with equal storage, cartidge cost way more to produce than DVDs/Blu-Ray, and that is the limitation.

Cost (which directly links to profit) is the ultimate goal of any developers/publisher.


kingofwale, let me highlight the problem with your post.

Your response is not what I'm asking about. You mentioned a storage issue and I'd like to know what you were talking about. In fact, by responding talking about cost, you are quite clearly dodging my question (and viper's). Now don't dodge our questions kingofwale, look back at your above post (I've highlighted it to help you) and then explain to us what you were talking about.


 

see the size difference? Thin is in.


So you're comparing an NDS cartidge in a game box to a CD not in a game box.

Well done kingofwale.



kingofwale on 27 March 2008

Maybe I should've proven my point better by showing just how thick N64 cartridge is?

I do agree, it's hardly fair to show a console media with a portable media. My mistake



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)