| Victorian said: It won't shorten PS4s life so does it mean they'll be sold simultaneously? Does it mean PS4 will have it's games while Neo has it's own games and PS4s? Maybe I don't understand what PS Neo really is? |
Sony has said that they will both play the same games but the Neo will play them better. What's so hard to understand?
| DakonBlackblade said: A shorter Life Cycle is a bad thing. If MS launches the Scorpio is a new generation it kills it instantly, the 40M+ PS4 users (60M+ maybe by the time Scorpio launches) won't transition, the 20M+ Xbox owners (25-30M+ by the time the Scorpio launches maybe) will feel cheated as fck and most won't transition, 3rd party developers won't just ignore the massive PS4 + XOne userbase to develop for Scorpio exclusively. Sony doesn't need to plant anything and MS isn't insane.
The Neo will be a more powerfulll PS4, there will be no exclusive games for it, every NEo game will also run on PS4, the only difference is the graphics on the Neo version will be better (wich most likely means Neo will run games at 4k resolution). Think about a budget PC x a top tier PC runing the same game, both machines run it, the owner of each one can have his fun, but the one with the high end PC runs the game smoother/better and at a higher resolution. |
So what Sony means is that even if you don't buy a Neo you'll get new PS4 games until the generation is over. I just thought they were talking about the PS4 which imo will be phased out but those who bought a PS4 will continue to recieve new games.
Also, don't want to derail this but isn't that what the scoprio also does? Just a beefier Xbox One that'll play the same games as the One and S? I didn't see any articles stating Scorpio is a new generation. So it's a mid gen just like Neo is supposed to be, but I could be wrong.
Why would it shorten it? Isnt it ment to prolong the life cycle?
| SvennoJ said: The question is, how much will it lengthen the 8th generation. What's the life cycle for Neo. |
If every game released is playable on the original PS4 model, I don't see how it will add any length at all. Games are still going to start to stale and devs are still going to want better machines because they're going to have to keep dumbing them down.
| Shadow1980 said: The Neo is likely to impact PS4 sales in the same way as any other hardware revision (either slimline models or GBC/DSi/N3DS-style spec upgrades). In other words, at best it will be as effective as a good-size price cut. The "PS4 family" will still inevitably enter a terminal decline phase. If the Neo launches at $400 and is cut to $350 next year, I could see 2017 being the peak year for the PS4, with sales maybe being about flat or down slightly in 2018. After that point, I suspect we'll see the PS4 enter the decline phase of its life, and we should see the PS5 announced no later than E3 2021. I really don't expect this generation to be any more protracted than last generation, especially considering PS4 & XBO sales are far outpacing PS3 & 360 sales and thus they will reach market saturation more quickly. Basically, don't expect the Neo to extend the PS4's life cycle by 3+ years, don't expect spec upgrades to existing platforms to be the new normal, and do expect the console cycle to continue as it always has. |
The Neo/Scorpio present an alternative to the ppl who jump ship to PCs or just abandom the generation midway that we never had before, it's very hard to try to project how it will perform comparing it to price-cuts and hardware revisions, we have enevr had something like this, it might worl wonders, it might fail completly, we do not have any basis to go on here. Sony wants this gen to last long since its having extreme profit with software sales and MS couldn't just not answer the NEO so they decided to come up with something more powerfull than everythign else to have a niche in the amrket.
You are completly ignoring market growth here, you are considering that the total amount of ppl who will buy a console this gen is the same amount that bought one last gen when the market probably has grown a lot and we will end with numbers much higher than we did on the PS3/X360 days. You can't predict market saturation using old numbers when reports indicate the market itself is expanding and migth expand even further with the Neo/Scorpio and with VR by atracting gamers that are ussualy PC oriented.
Mid generation upgrades may or may not become the norm it will all depend on how well the Neo and the Scorpio fare.
If all goes to plan, of course not. I mean, duh. It'd the very reason these machines exist and are fully BC with the previous versions. To lengthen the generation. If MicroSony were interested in shortening the gen, they'd reveal new hardware that does NOT work alongside the current ones.
AlfredoTurkey said:
If every game released is playable on the original PS4 model, I don't see how it will add any length at all. Games are still going to start to stale and devs are still going to want better machines because they're going to have to keep dumbing them down. |
It's not devs that decide when a new generation is in order, it's when the sales curve starts going downwards. With a new model and lack of cheaper slim model the peak will be reached later, lengthening the generation.
Duming down has nothing to do with how long a gen is, sequelites setting in is a valid concern though.
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