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captain carot said:
DonFerrari said:

Except OP said the extra power won't bring better graphics to Scorpio because PS4 will have to big of a lead to make devs make a much better version for Scorpio when they also keep the compatibility. He may be wrong and devs use the power, but I didn't see he saying graphics wouldn't matter to him, but that it would hardly have better graphics or that common folks would care.

Just that for most games market lead wont matter. Basically every multiplat comes for PC. Yeah, some japanese games no mainstream customer cares about aren't. But that's it. One damn CoD is proably worth hundreds of 'minor' japanese games when it comes to console sales. Like it or not.

So here we are, games get developed for Windows PC, Windows Box and PS4. Actually Scorpio get's higher quality assets for free because of PC games. And with DirectX and Windows all that stuff can be ported easier. Actually it's not even a traditional port.

 

So, why the hell should the extra power not matter. Even if it's just another silly resolutiongate. So no, more power will be relevant. Not because of market leadership but because it's a no issue to use it. Again, the simple reason is PC gaming and Windows.

 

P.S.:

@ruler: Technically a modern Mac is a PC running on MacOS. It's not a home computer, hasn't been for almost a decade.

Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, just from Square we already have tons of Japanese games that will not release for the PC or that will need to wait some months/years (Final Fantasy 13 took over 5 years), Last time I checked Kingdom Hearts had the size  of Gears of Wars/Uncharted in the general sales numbers.

Being on PC does not means nothing for Scorpio because Developers when they release their games for PC they give the option for the user to change settings, lights, shadows, effect etc, for the Scorpio they would need to make 1 version without the possibility of changing settings because this would piss off the Consoles users.

I think that this generation between Sony and Microsoft the biggest new Ip already released is BloodBorne with probably 3+ Millions of units sold, I think that Microsoft's biggest new Ip was Ryze (if they own the IP) and I don't remember the sales Numbers, but I'm sure that Persona 5 will be biggest than many "Main Stream" games that Microsoft tried to release so far, I'm predicting atleast 2+ Millions after the release of the West version and it can be even Higher.

 

So don't downplay Japanese games since  a lot of those games sell or sold more than Majority if not all Microsoft's new Ip this gen.

 

So explain how a PC version of a game would do Scorpio any good if the version isn't made for the console ?, Developers just give the option for Pc users to make the game look better as they wish but it can't happen on the console, unless besides more frequently Hardware changes, a Closed enviroment, no games exclusive for the console, you also want Microsoft to release the Settings option for the Scorpio.



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zero129 said:
Ruler said:

The Mac is still techniclay a home computer, like the Amiga, commondore 64 or Fujitsu FM Towns. Apple isnt releasing their OS on PC, you have to buy their hardware in order to enjoy their software, sounds familiar?

I guess the question would be is why would a person who has a PC and is running windows would want to use mac os anyways?. Its just as bad as linux when it comes to game support. And your still completly missing the point and Apple/=/Sony when it comes to PC. Apple is already in the OS and PC market, Sony isnt.

Look it makes no difference to me what you think.

All 3 companys within 10 years will have an online Store on PC, mark my words on this.

Sony is in the PC market, the PS4 is x86



DonFerrari said:
captain carot said:

Just that for most games market lead wont matter. Basically every multiplat comes for PC. Yeah, some japanese games no mainstream customer cares about aren't. But that's it. One damn CoD is proably worth hundreds of 'minor' japanese games when it comes to console sales. Like it or not.

So here we are, games get developed for Windows PC, Windows Box and PS4. Actually Scorpio get's higher quality assets for free because of PC games. And with DirectX and Windows all that stuff can be ported easier. Actually it's not even a traditional port.

 

So, why the hell should the extra power not matter. Even if it's just another silly resolutiongate. So no, more power will be relevant. Not because of market leadership but because it's a no issue to use it. Again, the simple reason is PC gaming and Windows.

 

P.S.:

@ruler: Technically a modern Mac is a PC running on MacOS. It's not a home computer, hasn't been for almost a decade.

Yep you can disagree with him and say that the extra power will be used because of the reasons you gave (which might not end up happening since we have also seen with PS4 and X1 the 3rd party don't make much of their time optimizing the versions. So it Scorpio is 30% more powerfull they may not really use it), but you can't say that he said graphics is irrelevant.

The additional power right now is basically resolutiongate. Modern engines usually scaling well with resolution 44% more pixels eat up the additional GPU power.

And i really think that will be irrelevant. It's not even such a big deal with PS4 and One, Neo and Scorpio will likely even be a smaller difference. It's not about Scorpios power not being utilised but the results on screen. Those will be smaller than most people think.



captain carot said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep you can disagree with him and say that the extra power will be used because of the reasons you gave (which might not end up happening since we have also seen with PS4 and X1 the 3rd party don't make much of their time optimizing the versions. So it Scorpio is 30% more powerfull they may not really use it), but you can't say that he said graphics is irrelevant.

The additional power right now is basically resolutiongate. Modern engines usually scaling well with resolution 44% more pixels eat up the additional GPU power.

And i really think that will be irrelevant. It's not even such a big deal with PS4 and One, Neo and Scorpio will likely even be a smaller difference. It's not about Scorpios power not being utilised but the results on screen. Those will be smaller than most people think.

The difference will not be big because developers still need to support the original PS4 and Xbox One, I think that not even for Exclusives the power of the Scorpio will be used since Microsoft said that all their games will launch on the normal Xbox One.



Mbolibombo said:

Maybe they chose PS4 because of it was powerful? We dont know.

I dont really care though, to me they are both irrelevant. I will continue to use my PS4 and wont buy the NEO, bigger chance I buy the Scorpio because I dont have an Xbox. Which is also a thing to consider, people might not wanna buy another PS4.

At this point switching would be dumb. Now you'll lose your whole library instead of taking it with you.



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method114 said:
Mbolibombo said:

Maybe they chose PS4 because of it was powerful? We dont know.

I dont really care though, to me they are both irrelevant. I will continue to use my PS4 and wont buy the NEO, bigger chance I buy the Scorpio because I dont have an Xbox. Which is also a thing to consider, people might not wanna buy another PS4.

At this point switching would be dumb. Now you'll lose your whole library instead of taking it with you.

You dont switch because you buy another console from another developer, you just add more possible games to play. I will still play my PS4 even if I buy a Scorpio. So no, I still have my library. I lose nothing



Swordmasterman said:
captain carot said:

The additional power right now is basically resolutiongate. Modern engines usually scaling well with resolution 44% more pixels eat up the additional GPU power.

And i really think that will be irrelevant. It's not even such a big deal with PS4 and One, Neo and Scorpio will likely even be a smaller difference. It's not about Scorpios power not being utilised but the results on screen. Those will be smaller than most people think.

The difference will not be big because developers still need to support the original PS4 and Xbox One, I think that not even for Exclusives the power of the Scorpio will be used since Microsoft said that all their games will launch on the normal Xbox One.

Random PC game minimum vs. medium vs. maximum settings.

Just that those settings will likely be set by default.

Let's say Frostbyte Engine games run at 720p medium on Xbone and 900p medium on PS4, which is more or less the case. PS4 Neo could run at 1080p high and Scorpio either at ultra settings or at high with slightly higher resolution.

It's not about exclusives. It would even be the exact same version of a game.



captain carot said:
Swordmasterman said:

The difference will not be big because developers still need to support the original PS4 and Xbox One, I think that not even for Exclusives the power of the Scorpio will be used since Microsoft said that all their games will launch on the normal Xbox One.

Random PC game minimum vs. medium vs. maximum settings.

Just that those settings will likely be set by default.

Let's say Frostbyte Engine games run at 720p medium on Xbone and 900p medium on PS4, which is more or less the case. PS4 Neo could run at 1080p high and Scorpio either at ultra settings or at high with slightly higher resolution.

It's not about exclusives. It would even be the exact same version of a game.

The difference is that they would need to make a game for a Console 4.5x weaker and it need to run nice on that console,  they would not have time or aim for the Scorpio so the Resolution and the Frame Rate would be the only things that would change. Like the Neo, the thing can be different for the Neo if the focus is just 1080p 60fps and not 4K.



If there is something we learned a few times in gaming, is that nobody owns the market forever. And with Microsoft new strategy of ending the generation tradition, Microsoft could very well sold a lot more Xbox with scorpio, and all the while, Sony could still sell a lot of PS4/neo.



Honestly, I'm just against both of these products in general. We don't need mid gen upgrades to become a standard thing in the industry. It seems like the XBO and PS4 are just starting to flex their muscles, and now upgrades are already on their way? And the older consoles will still play the same games? What's the point really? To make games look better? It's still the same game, but looks nicer.

Look, I can see that this would be nice for people who don't have those consoles yet, but what about those who bought it? Just stick with them, or sell their current console, and buy the newer one?

I just don't really see the point, especially with the scorpio boasting its power.What's the point if you can still play them on a normal XBO? It seems like a waste. Or, if it's like a new console with its own exclusive games, then this gen seems like the quickest one and feels like releasing the XBO and PS4 was a bit of a mistake.

Those are my just thoughts on the Neo and Scorpio though.



 

              

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