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Lafiel said:
sc94597 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Um? 

whataboutism is a fallacy

there already were 133 mass shootings (4+ shot) in the US in 2016 http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?page=5 and I'm certain >90% of them wouldn't have happened if there was a different gun culture in the US

The methodology of the website you linked is wanting. For starters, notice how that many of said "mass shootings" don't even have multiple (or any) deaths. 

Which matters more, the number of shootings or the number of actual dealths in these mass-shooting events? Notice in the European attacks the death-counts are quite astronomical for just a single attack. It shows to me that either the police can't respond quickly enough, or the shooter(s) has/have no fear of others taking action against him. In the U.S these attacks may or may not be considerably more frequent (depending on methodology and how we account for population size and diversity) but they usually are much less lethal because the attacker knows that there is much less time to enact his plan. About 500 people, including attackers, died of "mass shootings" last year in the U.S. That is .00015% of the population. Hardly a worrying pandemic. The mass shooting argument is weak. People have better argument when it comes to regular shootings or suicides. 

It doesn't help that the website is also quite biased and intentionally does this. It was created and maintained specifically by and for the website slate.com with an obvious confirmation bias.  



Lol figured it was some Muslim again.



WolfpackN64 said:
sc94597 said:

So now that this turned out to be a terrorist attack, does Europe also have a "violence" problem, considering there have been some high-scale bombings and shootings by terrorists lately?

Of course the thread is predictable as ever. Europeans who have never lived here or been here lecturing us on our homicide rates without considering the causing effects(war on drugs) and distribution (inner city ghettos.)

The guy had higly illegal explosives strapped to himself. What kind of gun control would help? How did gun control help in Paris?

In case of terrorist attacks, gun control is near useless.

But in any other case of mass shooting in the US, we have every right to lecture you. The problem in many cases of mass shootings in the US is that kids and teens can nearly pick a gun off a kitchen counter. If people who are unstable or radicalizing (in any way, shape or form) can get a gun this easily, you're asking for trouble.

You can't lecture anyone if you're ignorant of the socio-political issues that put people into the position to attack each-other with guns. Most of these "mass shootings" are gang-warfare caused by the failed war on drugs - something Europe doesn't have at the extent nor scale that the U.S has. 



SubiyaCryolite said:
sc94597 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Um? 

Lol, are you trying to suggest that gun violence in France and Norway is in any way comparable to what goes down in the US every. single. day? Are you serious? (you also missed the bold)

I am suggesting that mass murder is not inhibited in these countries by gun control, and it is only when a similar event happens in the U.S that it is even brought up. Obviously Norway and France don't have the underclass and drug warfare (at least to the extent the U.S does) to motivate such homicides. 



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sc94597 said:

You can't lecture anyone if you're ignorant of the socio-political issues that put people into the position to attack each-other with guns. Most of these "mass shootings" are gang-warfare caused by the failed war on drugs - something Europe doesn't have at the extent nor scale that the U.S has. 

Failed war on drugs tha that Europa doesn't have? Sounds like you don't really know everything going on in Europe.

So the multitude of mentally unstable, radical or white supremacist shootings are actually gang warfare? Is that it? Don't think so.



Of afghani descent. I am definitely not surprised by the anti gay sentiment from this guy just like I wouldn't have been if the attacker was a white guy who attended the Westboro Baptist Church PC police has to stop it and call a spade a spade. Anyways I'm on chapter Cow in the Quaran since it was gifted by a more down to earth friend.



Make games, not war (that goes for ridiculous fanboys)

I may be the next Maelstorm or not, you be the judge http://videogamesgrow.blogspot.com/  hopefully I can be more of an asset than a fanboy to VGC hehe.

WolfpackN64 said:
sc94597 said:

You can't lecture anyone if you're ignorant of the socio-political issues that put people into the position to attack each-other with guns. Most of these "mass shootings" are gang-warfare caused by the failed war on drugs - something Europe doesn't have at the extent nor scale that the U.S has. 

Failed war on drugs tha that Europa doesn't have? Sounds like you don't really know everything going on in Europe.

So the multitude of mentally unstable, radical or white supremacist shootings are actually gang warfare? Is that it? Don't think so.

Do you have hundreds of cartels created by drug prohibition south of (and within) your borders? Do you have entire portions of cities in which the top employment opportunity for the impoverished is the sale of drugs and the criminal activity relevant to maintain it? Do you have mass incarceration, the highest in the world, of drug users and sellers? Felony records making it impossible for drugs users or gang members to reform themselves? Do places like Portugal, where the decriminalization of hard drugs has occured successfully, not exist in Europe? 

As for the radical white supremacist groups, what percentage of these "133 mass shootings" consist of that? The last one I can think of was Dylan Roof, and I really can't think of what the last one was before him. They are obvioulsy the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of total shootings. Hardly anything to get worked up about statistically. 



https://www.rt.com/usa/346364-orlando-club-shooter-terrorism/

 

Yup, ISIS. Also deathtoll has surpassed 50.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

barneystinson69 said:

https://www.rt.com/usa/346364-orlando-club-shooter-terrorism/

 

Yup, ISIS. Also deathtoll has surpassed 50.

"There is no immediate evidence proving any connection between the Orlando shooting and Islamic State or any other foreign extremist organization, US officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity."

Not to mention, saying it was an attack by ISIS is more beneficial then saying it was one nutjob acting on his own agenda.