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GribbleGrunger on 10 June 2016

Ok, I think I may owe Goatseye an apology here because other statements make the messaging messier and open to this interpretation. Sorry, I jumped on you like that, Goateye, it's a fair point to bring up, it's just that the line used to make the point isn't the line that makes it unclear, it's this line:

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

Why would you need both if the Neo could play all content?



 

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Barkley on 10 June 2016
GribbleGrunger said:
Ok, I think I may owe Goatseye an apology here because other statements make the messaging messier and open to this interpretation. Sorry, I jumped on you like that, Goateye, it's a fair point to bring up, it's just that the line used to make the point isn't the line that makes it unclear, it's this line:

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

Why would you need both if the Neo could play all content?

The Neo is targeted at "hardcore gamers" or in other words people willing to spend more money on gaming then most, the original ps4 will still be sold because it will be substantially cheaper and for casual gamers and others who don't care about the graphics they would choose this option. One thing that Andrew houses comments do suggest is that perhaps the difference in price is bigger snd the price of the neo is higher then most thought.

When he says sit alongside I believe he is referring to them as products in sony's lineup.



Michelasso on 10 June 2016

Sure the PS4 Neo will run all previous games. If a game won't it will be most likely because of a bug in the PS4 OS/Graphics API or drivers and it will be up to Sony to fix it. Unless a developer implemented some hacks in the code, which should be against the Sony policies. In that case the devs will have to patch it. Yes, it may happen, but one would imagine they will get the new development kits before the PS4 Neo launches.

It isn't much different from Windows (or OS X), actually it's much simpler. Only two platforms, same identical OS, with the main difference just being the much more capable GPU.



Conina on 10 June 2016
Kowan said:

This is what that Gameinformer guy was referring to his tweet. "Forward compatibility patches are for old games only: Sony really wants Neo support on all games from October onwards. While older titles can have Neo features patched in, the platform holder will not allow new titles to add Neo features at a later date."

Which pretty much means developers cannot patch in performance improvements on games they are releasing in the future after NEO releases/or after October or something. Which means if they release the game without using the upgrades on the NEO then it will remain the same if you play it on a NEO.

It doesn't make sense to forbid developers to optimize their games for normal PS4 mode and/or for Neo mode.

So there will be probably a mandatory PS4 mode AND a mandatory Neo mode for future PS4 games, which both can be optimized with additional patches.

The whole "Forward compatibility patches are for old games only" only means that the newer games have to have a Neo mode right from the start and aren't allowed to release without it while older PS4 games have more headroom if and when a Neo mode is handed in later.

Similar regulations happened on other platforms: After the iPhone 5 release, newer iOS apps had to support 16:9-displays, while older apps were allowed to keep the 3:2 aspect.



GribbleGrunger on 10 June 2016
Barkley said:

The Neo is targeted at "hardcore gamers" or in other words people willing to spend more money on gaming then most, the original ps4 will still be sold because it will be substantially cheaper and for casual gamers and others who don't care about the graphics they would choose this option. One thing that Andrew houses comments do suggest is that perhaps the difference in price is bigger snd the price of the neo is higher then most thought.

When he says sit alongside I believe he is referring to them as products in sony's lineup.

The point is it's vague. Is he talking in a broader sense as in 'sitting beside' meaning on the market or is he talking in literal tems as in 'sitting beside' your PS4 under your TV? It could be exactly what Sony intended though. The last thing Sony want is people waiting for the Neo and not buying PS4s so to give a statement that possibly suggests you'll want to keep your PS4s is a good move.



 

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pokoko on 10 June 2016
GribbleGrunger said:
Ok, I think I may owe Goatseye an apology here because other statements make the messaging messier and open to this interpretation. Sorry, I jumped on you like that, Goateye, it's a fair point to bring up, it's just that the line used to make the point isn't the line that makes it unclear, it's this line:

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

Why would you need both if the Neo could play all content?

Why does Nvidia still make a GTX 750 when they have a GTX 1080?

Because one is cheaper.



Jumpin on 10 June 2016

That's stupid.



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onionberry on 10 June 2016
poklane said:
He probably worded it wrong. What he probably meant is that not every game will have a special Neo mode with better graphics, resolution and framerate.
IF some PS4 games indeed don't run on the Neo at all then Sony should be ashamed of themselves, that'd be the stupidest thing a platform holder would have ever done.

the only logical situation.



barneystinson69 on 10 June 2016

Hopefully this isn't true. Confusing your consumer base is the worst thing to do.



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LudicrousSpeed on 10 June 2016

I.... don't understand the thread title.

So only old games will get Neo compatibility? So will there be different SKUs for new games?