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Soundwave on 02 June 2016
Bryank75 said:
Ariakon said:

I plan on picking up a Neo as well, but that's going a bit too far. MS is going to be around for quite a while. 

Way I see it is they are fighting a war on two fronts now. One against Steam and Valve and another against Playstation. 

They have made so many anti-consumer movements in the past that they have a certain reputation now. They also closed down several studios lately and exclusives are going to PC too with gpu's getting cheap for great performance i.e. 480. 

 

If Valve and Sony decide they need to shut MS down they could easily pay for major exclusivity on franchises like FIFA etc. to keep it off xbox. Doesn't look good from where I am sitting for MS. 

lol, no way would MS allow something like that. At the end of the day, MS dwarfs Sony and Valve in company size they're not going to let themselves be pushed around by comparative small potatoes. 



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Soundwave on 02 June 2016
Intrinsic said:
Soundwave said:

I suppose Scorpio could come out in spring/summer 2017 instead, so it wouldn't be quite a year, if its not coming out by then, then the reason likely is they are using something like HBM2 RAM, which would be net performance even higher, so all the more reason to wait. 

There probably are not that many games that will use the Neo's power until 2017 anyway, so I'm kinda content to wait and simply get the better hardware. 

For VR I think I'm going to go with Occulus Rift too. Compatible with PC and better quality resolution ... if you're to pay like $700 for VR, I figure you may as well pay a little more and get the best possible experience as VR is not exactly "budget" either way. 

You keep saying a lot of stuff that is just borderlime wishful thinking.  HBM2 RAM???? You kidding me? you think cause tech is available MS can just throw it in there and call it a day? You are more likely to see DDR4 ram in the XBs than HBM2. 

And where are you getting that devs won't use the neo power? in truth that you even say that makes me see you don't really know what you are talking about. From the first neo leak its clearly said ven with a date "that all games made from a certian daye would be required to come with a neo mode" 

Now if you think the neo or scorpio means that  devs make two totally different versions of their games then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The Neo/scorpio power just means higher rez textures,higher rezolution all round, more stable framerate (be it 30/60fps), Higher LOD, better lightening, better AA higher level PP effects and thats about it. 

All things that they are already doing as we speak when it comes to PC and console releases. Basically, the neo/scorpio is the console equivalemt of a stable ultra preset as compared to the PS4/XB1 medium/high preset. Nothing more than that. 

It's my money, between Sony/MS whoever of the two is offering the better hardware will be getting my money. Neo is a decent upgrade, but Scorpio just sounds better. I'm not buying both (overkill). 

I'm fine with my PS4 for the rest of the year, but next year I will switch to Scorpio. 

I like the PC cross compatibility too, hopefully MS will allow other PC games to be playable on the Scorpio. Also I wonder if they can get Killer Instinct to 4K, that would be awesome. 



DonFerrari on 02 June 2016
Soundwave said:
Bryank75 said:

Way I see it is they are fighting a war on two fronts now. One against Steam and Valve and another against Playstation. 

They have made so many anti-consumer movements in the past that they have a certain reputation now. They also closed down several studios lately and exclusives are going to PC too with gpu's getting cheap for great performance i.e. 480. 

 

If Valve and Sony decide they need to shut MS down they could easily pay for major exclusivity on franchises like FIFA etc. to keep it off xbox. Doesn't look good from where I am sitting for MS. 

lol, no way would MS allow something like that. At the end of the day, MS dwarfs Sony and Valve in company size they're not going to let themselves be pushed around by comparative small potatoes. 

Yes... we saw how much MS money helped them crush Steam and win against PS4



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Soundwave on 02 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Soundwave said:

lol, no way would MS allow something like that. At the end of the day, MS dwarfs Sony and Valve in company size they're not going to let themselves be pushed around by comparative small potatoes. 

Yes... we saw how much MS money helped them crush Steam and win against PS4

Money doesn't fix regular mistakes, but EA going Sony exclusive is never going to happen. MS wouldn't allow it, besides I don't think EA's own licensee partners (NFL, FIFA, NHL, Star Wars/Disney) would be happy with that either. 

I think Scorpio will be great too not just because it'll have the best console hardware but precisely because MS learned some hard lessons this gen, just Sony did last gen. They will be better in the long run by learning from this gen. 



Azuren on 02 June 2016
vivster said:
Too bad though that Neo is the devil and will destroy Sony and the whole console industry as we know it.

Oh no, a console that runs the exact same games at better specifications with no exclusives. Whatever will we do?

 

Either upgrade for the premium or continue enjoying the same games. It's not the end of the world, or even locking you out of games.



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Bryank75 on 02 June 2016
Soundwave said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes... we saw how much MS money helped them crush Steam and win against PS4

Money doesn't fix regular mistakes, but EA going Sony exclusive is never going to happen. MS wouldn't allow it, besides I don't think EA's own licensee partners (NFL, FIFA, NHL, Star Wars/Disney) would be happy with that either. 

I think Scorpio will be great too not just because it'll have the best console hardware but precisely because MS learned some hard lessons this gen, just Sony did last gen. They will be better in the long run by learning from this gen. 

Fifa was just a random pick, there are target games that would be easier and more effective than that. Fifa would be a game they would use in Europe if they wanted more share but they don't need that and EA wouldn't play ball. Other companies...... 



GribbleGrunger on 02 June 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Didn't AMD also say something about working with Sony to include some of the changes in their own chips?

Not something that I've read, but that's very interesting if true. Could also mean a more complex partnership than people are taking at face value. I sorely wish I stayed invested in AMD when it was $1.82 a share.... Only a few months ago.

I definitely saw a few articles about it but I'm struggling to find one because I'm not technically minded and can't remember what any of the key words were. I'm still looking. I think it was something about how the compute units work but my search is only bringing up recent news of these new consoles. This is what the articles were saying AMD would adopt:

The original AMD GCN architecture allowed for one source of graphics commands, and two sources of compute commands. For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands — the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues, and then there are multiple levels of arbitration in the hardware to determine what runs, how it runs, and when it runs, alongside the graphics that’s in the system.



 

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DonFerrari on 02 June 2016
Soundwave said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes... we saw how much MS money helped them crush Steam and win against PS4

Money doesn't fix regular mistakes, but EA going Sony exclusive is never going to happen. MS wouldn't allow it, besides I don't think EA's own licensee partners (NFL, FIFA, NHL, Star Wars/Disney) would be happy with that either. 

I think Scorpio will be great too not just because it'll have the best console hardware but precisely because MS learned some hard lessons this gen, just Sony did last gen. They will be better in the long run by learning from this gen. 

We may very soon discover if the new xbox will have enough traction... there is no guarantee that they will get all games from EA, if their new console plummet they may lose support, but if it sells good enough and/or it's easy to port from PS counterpart or PC them they will get games. And you gone from MS not allowing themselves to lose because they have a lot of money to a very specific point of not being without 3rd party support.

 

What hard lesson have they learned? They seem to be doing just the same they always done as a company. And their internal studios are even weaker than they were on X360, 



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Soundwave on 02 June 2016
Bryank75 said:
Soundwave said:

Money doesn't fix regular mistakes, but EA going Sony exclusive is never going to happen. MS wouldn't allow it, besides I don't think EA's own licensee partners (NFL, FIFA, NHL, Star Wars/Disney) would be happy with that either. 

I think Scorpio will be great too not just because it'll have the best console hardware but precisely because MS learned some hard lessons this gen, just Sony did last gen. They will be better in the long run by learning from this gen. 

Fifa was just a random pick, there are target games that would be easier and more effective than that. Fifa would be a game they would use in Europe if they wanted more share but they don't need that and EA wouldn't play ball. Other companies...... 

I think third party exclusives in general is going to go the way of the dinosaur. It's not worth it with development costs being so high, and with PC basically merging with the XBox that pretty much ensures MS will have just about any version of any game unless a developer goes out of their way to deny it, which would be silly.

None of the big 3rd party exclusive deals this gen have really worked out for the publisher anyway. None of Tomb Raider, Titanfall, or Street Fighter V are big successes. 



Soundwave on 02 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Soundwave said:

Money doesn't fix regular mistakes, but EA going Sony exclusive is never going to happen. MS wouldn't allow it, besides I don't think EA's own licensee partners (NFL, FIFA, NHL, Star Wars/Disney) would be happy with that either. 

I think Scorpio will be great too not just because it'll have the best console hardware but precisely because MS learned some hard lessons this gen, just Sony did last gen. They will be better in the long run by learning from this gen. 

We may very soon discover if the new xbox will have enough traction... there is no guarantee that they will get all games from EA, if their new console plummet they may lose support, but if it sells good enough and/or it's easy to port from PS counterpart or PC them they will get games. And you gone from MS not allowing themselves to lose because they have a lot of money to a very specific point of not being without 3rd party support.

 

What hard lesson have they learned? They seem to be doing just the same they always done as a company. And their internal studios are even weaker than they were on X360, 

Having better hardware for one once again will help MS, MS has been doing a lot of good things actually since Spencer has become the head honcho, I'd expect that to continue. Neo is a nice upgrade, but Scorpio is gonna be a real beast. 

For me personally I don't really give much a crap about either of their 1st party games. I like Uncharted and Halo is OK I guess, but the rest .... meh. I buy Sony or MS for third party content because they make 95%+ of the worthwhile games on the platform for me. 

Actually my favorite first party game from either one this gen is Killer Instinct (tons of fun). Sunset Overdrive was neat too.