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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
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tokilamockingbrd on 24 June 2016
Soundwave said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

yea states... except these states are made up of different nations that have had a national identies for centuries and all how their own national interest. That sounds like as good of an idea arbitrarily drawing borders in Africa after WW2. I mean by this logic we should just make the Dominican Republic a state in the US. 

The ability to control who comes into your country is a big deal. Even been to Japan? When you arrive they want to see your return ticket. You can only go their to live if you are actually worth something. You cant be an economic parasite and expect them to just let you move there. 

The UK already had pretty large scale control over who was coming into their borders, case in point they basically took no one in from Syria last year. 

The EU makes sense in a modern capitalist society where no one wants to have 15 freaking currencies to deal with when doing business in Europe. I don't want to deal with some rinky dink little Denmark or some shit as an investor. 

single currency not as big a deal in an age where electronic transactions are the norm. For instance I have traveled to asia 15 times in the past 3 years. I use my credit card and it does this magical thing where it auto converts currency with no exchange charge. The only country I carried cash(did not trust their systems) was Cambodia, and there everyone takes US Dollars as their prefer it over their local currency. 

I agree open transit is wonderful but it depends on the border countries to keep their borders closed which they failed to do. The EU should have created a wall.... lol... I could not help that.... 

(btw not a Trump Supporter, in fact not voting at all because they both suck and I would not want to admit I voted for either). 



psn- tokila

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Hedra42 on 24 June 2016
Soundwave said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

the ability to do whatever the fuck they want. 

I live in the US. I cant even fathom the concept of some unelected foriegn body making decisions for my country. It would be hypocritical for me to expect another country to do the same unless they choose to. 

What exactly was the EU preventing them from doing before because it seems to me they were doing "whatever the fuck they wanted" before hand. They didn't even adopt the Euro currency. 

EU was formed because it makes sense to have one more singular entity instead of like 20 different little countries all within 90 minutes flying time of each other.

Almost like a united group of ... states ... you might say. Gee, what a bizarre concept. 

The 20 different little countries may all be within 90 minutes flying time of each other, but they are all very different, with different economies. There's an undeniable strength in being in the union, but a one-size fits all approach doesn't always work.

One of the issues talked about in the run up to the referendum was how the time and money spent on trying to stay compliant with EU laws is stifling small businesses' ability to compete.  Just one example of the EU preventing them from doing what the fuck, as you so delicately put it, they like.

 

 



JRPGfan on 24 June 2016

Unitied states of america Europe.

The brits are like nope... we re "great" britian bitch! We dont wanna be part of any of that nonsense.



Soundwave on 24 June 2016
Hedra42 said:
Soundwave said:

What exactly was the EU preventing them from doing before because it seems to me they were doing "whatever the fuck they wanted" before hand. They didn't even adopt the Euro currency. 

EU was formed because it makes sense to have one more singular entity instead of like 20 different little countries all within 90 minutes flying time of each other.

Almost like a united group of ... states ... you might say. Gee, what a bizarre concept. 

The 20 different little countries may all be within 90 minutes flying time of each other, but they are all very different, with different economies. There's an undeniable strength in being in the union, but a one-size fits all approach doesn't always work.

One of the issues talked about in the run up to the referendum was how the time and money spent on trying to stay compliant with EU laws is stifling small businesses' ability to compete.  Just one example of the EU preventing them from doing what the fuck, as you so delicately put it, they like.

 

 

If the EU fizzles, then said business will have to conform to like 8 or 9 different standards instead of like ... one? I don't really see how that's better. 

It seems to me like the UK was allowed to operate within the EU as they pleased however they wanted without any of the downsides. 

Realistically I think the only real way this will impact the UK is basically it will lead to the effective dissolvement of the UK itself, as Scotland and Northern Ireland will now almost assuredly have their own referendums. 



Lawlight on 24 June 2016
kowenicki said:
LurkerJ said:

I hear some are already too negatively affected. I hope you are not one of them

Its not that the affect is that negative... (marketwise it actually isn't, a drop of 5% on the main Uk index isnt THAT bad),  It's just that the recovery is now put back another couple of years.  It has been 8 years since the financial collapse and ever since it has been one thing after another.

The pound obviously weakens (not necessarily a bad thing), as will the Euro in the coming weeks and as a direct result the Yen and Dollar will strengthen as a flight currency, the Japanese REALLY dont want that. 

The impact is definitely global.  Makes me laugh when we have had people from smaller European countries sneering and taking glee from this when THEY stand to lose more than anyone.  Ignorance is bliss I guess.

I agree with you about the market. I see the "Remain" crowd posting stuff like GBPxxx billions wiped out. No, xxx billions worth of stock isn't the same thing as cash. The FSTE has now risen from its initial 8% drop. Does that mean that billions were recouped. As of right now, the drop is only 4.85%. 



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Hedra42 on 24 June 2016
Soundwave said:
Hedra42 said:

The 20 different little countries may all be within 90 minutes flying time of each other, but they are all very different, with different economies. There's an undeniable strength in being in the union, but a one-size fits all approach doesn't always work.

One of the issues talked about in the run up to the referendum was how the time and money spent on trying to stay compliant with EU laws is stifling small businesses' ability to compete.  Just one example of the EU preventing them from doing what the fuck, as you so delicately put it, they like.

 

 

If the EU fizzles, then said business will have to conform to like 8 or 9 different standards instead of like ... one? I don't really see how that's better. 

It seems to me like the UK was allowed to operate within the EU as they pleased however they wanted without any of the downsides. 

Realistically I think the only real way this will impact the UK is basically it will lead to the effective dissolvement of the UK itself, as Scotland and Northern Ireland will now almost assuredly have their own referendums.

If the EU fizzles, it will make no difference. The argument is -

In the EU = loads of legislation designed for all EU members are making it difficult for UK small businesses to compete.

Out of the EU = no EU legislation. Businesses only have to comply with UK law.

[edit to address italicised comment that you edited in after I quoted]

The UK did have 'special status' and certain opt outs. Prior to calling the referendum, Cameron went and negotiated further to make the option to remain more attractive. He didn't get everything he wanted.

As far as the break up of the UK - we'll have to wait and see on that one.



Soundwave on 24 June 2016
Hedra42 said:
Soundwave said:

If the EU fizzles, then said business will have to conform to like 8 or 9 different standards instead of like ... one? I don't really see how that's better. 

If the EU fizzles, it will make no difference. The argument is -

In the EU = loads of legislation designed for all EU members are making it difficult for UK small businesses to compete.

Out of the EU = no EU legislation. Businesses only have to comply with UK law.

Yeah but I'm assuming they probably want to sell to a broader Euro market. Britain is an island, big businesses are not playing with small potatoes. The population of England is 50 million, the population of Europe is 742 million.

No one wants to do business in Europe if there's like 20 different standards and regulations and currencies. No one gives a crap that Europe was the hot shit 100 years ago. 

People will just go invest in India or China or the US or Japan or Canada or whatever. 

Like I said too this pretty much will likely inadvertantly lead to the end of the UK itself, so that's basically the only really different the UK will get out of it (there won't be a UK anymore). 



Hedra42 on 24 June 2016
Soundwave said:
Hedra42 said:

If the EU fizzles, it will make no difference. The argument is -

In the EU = loads of legislation designed for all EU members are making it difficult for UK small businesses to compete.

Out of the EU = no EU legislation. Businesses only have to comply with UK law.

Yeah but I'm assuming they probably want to sell to a broader Euro market. Britain is an island, big businesses are not playing with small potatoes. 

No one wants to do business in Europe if there's like 20 different standards and regulations and currencies. No one gives a crap that Europe was the hot shit 100 years ago. 

People will just go invest in India or China or the US or Russia. 

Like I said too this pretty much will likely inadvertantly lead to the end of the UK itself, so that's basically the only really different the UK will get out of it (there won't be a UK anymore). 

I'm talking about the negative impact  EU regs have had on small, UK businesses, not whether other countries will invest in the UK post Brexit.

Also, see my prev edited response to your edited-in comments to posts above.



WolfpackN64 on 24 June 2016
kowenicki said:

Yet more misinformation

The vote that has taken the UK out of the EU isn't Tory voters... its traditional Labour voters in traditional Labour heartlands. 

Hey. I'm not the one to claim the Brexiteers are all fascists, or idiots or romanticists. I know most of them are truly disenfranchised people with a clear reason to have voted out.

But it will be the Conservatives that will lead the way out of the EU. What these working class people think or want doesn't concern them one bit. That's why I specifically voiced opposition to a Conservative led Brexit.



Veknoid_Outcast on 24 June 2016

Oh wow, I'm surprised. I though the polling was pointing in the other direction?