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Veknoid_Outcast on 26 May 2016
Goatseye said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I miss local multiplayer/bots. I was weaned on GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, TimeSplitters, etc. I just expect that stuff. Halo 5 ditching split-screen was a huge body blow.

I've been very critical of Guerrilla Games over the last decade, but one thing I love about that studio is its commitment to bot matches. I wish Guerrilla was the rule, not the exception.

Sorry to break itto you Vek but local mp is a thing of the past. At least here in the US, if a game doesn't have online mp component, it doesn't sell as well as the big dogs. People/kids don't go to each other's house to play games anymore.

Halo 5 splitscreen issue was blown out of proportion by a vocal minority, like many more issues that became a trend to hate on 343i. But that's another story.

Also, that game tagged in the OP is freaking fantastic



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Teeqoz on 26 May 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Goatseye said:

Sorry to break itto you Vek but local mp is a thing of the past. At least here in the US, if a game doesn't have online mp component, it doesn't sell as well as the big dogs. People/kids don't go to each other's house to play games anymore.

Halo 5 splitscreen issue was blown out of proportion by a vocal minority, like many more issues that became a trend to hate on 343i. But that's another story.

I can't argue with that. You're right. It's the reality. I just miss it.

But then again, you never argued to remove online multiplayer in favour of local multiplayer. Just have both.

I have fond memories of playing Cod Zombies with my friends. Ahh...



Goatseye on 26 May 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Goatseye said:

Sorry to break itto you Vek but local mp is a thing of the past. At least here in the US, if a game doesn't have online mp component, it doesn't sell as well as the big dogs. People/kids don't go to each other's house to play games anymore.

Halo 5 splitscreen issue was blown out of proportion by a vocal minority, like many more issues that became a trend to hate on 343i. But that's another story.

I can't argue with that. You're right. It's the reality. I just miss it.

The problem is that new gamers of today, don't research about games. They just go with what their friends are playing.

It blows my mind. When I was a kid, I used to ask for a different system from what my friends had so we could trade system and experience different type of games. If we wanted to play together, we could play soccer in the afternoon together.



Veknoid_Outcast on 26 May 2016
Teeqoz said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I can't argue with that. You're right. It's the reality. I just miss it.

But then again, you never argued to remove online multiplayer in favour of local multiplayer. Just have both.

I have fond memories of playing Cod Zombies with my friends. Ahh...

Yeah, man, most of my best gaming memories involve friends and family on a couch, laughing and jostling with each other. It's great that online multiplayer can unite people from all over the world, but nothing compares to the intimacy and immediacy of local multiplayer.



Teeqoz on 26 May 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Teeqoz said:

But then again, you never argued to remove online multiplayer in favour of local multiplayer. Just have both.

I have fond memories of playing Cod Zombies with my friends. Ahh...

Yeah, man, most of my best gaming memories involve friends and family on a couch, laughing and jostling with each other. It's great that online multiplayer can unite people from all over the world, but nothing compares to the intimacy and immediacy of local multiplayer.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=216948

 

We can bring this discussion to this thread, I want to see what others have to say too



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ohmylanta1003 on 26 May 2016
Nem said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

You're using gouged wrong. Gouged would be a SP game you complete once or twice and are too bored to go back to. So cool, you spent $60 on a 10 hour game and got maybe 25 hours of play time out of it. Meanwhile I can spend $60 on a MP title and get 300 hours of play time out of it. Gouged, lol.

As you can see, the argument can go either way. In the end when these discussions happen it basically boils down to people who play MP and people who don't. People who don't care for MP won't understand that you can get hundreds of hours of quality play time out of these titles.

Regarding online communities, if the game is good, there will be a community. Even Titanfall, which is always spoken here and on GAF as if it's a ghost town and a dead online community, has thousands of players online all the time and you're never in trouble trying to find a game. There might be some instances like MAG where it wasn't a good game and the servers get shut down, but then again you can also have situations like The Order or Murdered: Soul Suspect where you pay $60 for a terrible and short SP experience and once it's done the game is, as you put it, a piece of trash.

At least you get the option to get back to it. Better clock those 300 hours fast though, because the quality of the service will be in freefall.

Also... not really fair to be comparing a MP with a crap game. A crap game is a crap game, regardless of SP or MP. This is about the fact that MP only games are short lived. I might also add, that very few will play them for 300h. You need alot of free time and tolerance to repetitiveness to do that.

Try to think on the pov of a casual gamer.

By fast, do you mean over the span of a decade, or what? Because any good dev is gonna keep the servers up for a long ass time. Who cares if the servers are shut down after 10 years? You're entire life has changed at that point, there's been a decade of great game releases, and you've probably long forgotten this game by now. So go ahead, if you wanna be bitter about it, no one is stopping you. But just because you're all bitter and THINK that we're getting gouged doesn't mean that there aren't millions of gamers out there that are pouring hundreds of fun hours into these multiplayer games. Worth way more than your average singleplayer game.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

ohmylanta1003 on 26 May 2016
GribbleGrunger said:
Die, respawn, die, respawn, die, respawn, win/lose.

So fulfilling.

Move forward, stop, save, move forward, stop, save, move forward, stop, save, game over 10 hours later.

So fulfilling. So worth the price tag.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

Augen on 26 May 2016

I am fine with genres and games existing that I don't care for, plenty of games I enjoy. I have never in my life enjoyed play online, there is no sense of accomplishment or enjoyment for me whether it is an MMO or sport title or Moba or FPS. Doesn't help that every online game I've tried the community has been at best neutral and at worst toxic. Some kid swearing at me while playing FIFA (congratulations on being good with Barca...) is just a miserable way to spend time.

For me I see online multi player game and know odds of me getting it are pretty much zero. Games like Paragon or Battleborn mean nothing to me, and happy for folks that enjoy them. Only reason gave Overwatch a look was excellent character design work, but even with that element I'm more likely to buy a figure than ever would play the game.

I do miss local co-op. I still play Diablo III and FIFA and Mario Kart with friends, sometimes we break out old systems just to enjoy a racing game like Burnout. I don't get the trend of not wanting to play with friends on the couch, but guess I'm an old minority these days and just enjoy games I do.



LudicrousSpeed on 26 May 2016
Nem said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

You're using gouged wrong. Gouged would be a SP game you complete once or twice and are too bored to go back to. So cool, you spent $60 on a 10 hour game and got maybe 25 hours of play time out of it. Meanwhile I can spend $60 on a MP title and get 300 hours of play time out of it. Gouged, lol.

As you can see, the argument can go either way. In the end when these discussions happen it basically boils down to people who play MP and people who don't. People who don't care for MP won't understand that you can get hundreds of hours of quality play time out of these titles.

Regarding online communities, if the game is good, there will be a community. Even Titanfall, which is always spoken here and on GAF as if it's a ghost town and a dead online community, has thousands of players online all the time and you're never in trouble trying to find a game. There might be some instances like MAG where it wasn't a good game and the servers get shut down, but then again you can also have situations like The Order or Murdered: Soul Suspect where you pay $60 for a terrible and short SP experience and once it's done the game is, as you put it, a piece of trash.

At least you get the option to get back to it. Better clock those 300 hours fast though, because the quality of the service will be in freefall.

Also... not really fair to be comparing a MP with a crap game. A crap game is a crap game, regardless of SP or MP. This is about the fact that MP only games are short lived. I might also add, that very few will play them for 300h. You need alot of free time and tolerance to repetitiveness to do that.

Try to think on the pov of a casual gamer.

A casual gamer can enjoy a MP only title just as much as a hardcore gamer. Lots of casual gamers buy CoD every year and never touch the SP.

Even MAG, which was not very good, lasted 3-4 years IIRC. Personally for the amount of playtime they offer, I am fine if online only games shut down after 4 years.

And they are only repetitive if you let them be.

My only real point is, "gouged" to some can easily be "ridiculously cheap value" to others. And I am with the OP, its silly that people default to the negative viewpoint just because a game is MP only.



Goatseye on 26 May 2016
Teeqoz said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Yeah, man, most of my best gaming memories involve friends and family on a couch, laughing and jostling with each other. It's great that online multiplayer can unite people from all over the world, but nothing compares to the intimacy and immediacy of local multiplayer.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=216948

 

We can bring this discussion to this thread, I want to see what others have to say too

Goldeneye on N64 with friends and family for most of the day with barely a food break. No one felt hungry when we played.

Fifa matches, Virtua Fighter 2 , MK and Killer Instinct. My childhood was the sh*t.

If I had Nintendo consoles, my friends would get Sega and vice versa. We experienced it all, we didn't have the nonsense of getting what my friends got.