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WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

Al Jazeera? You mean that propoganda network for Qatar? And why should it make you feel ashamed for their actions! Really, tell me what exactly is there to feel ashamed about? The Saudi's don't give a shit about killing muslims and then when they're in trouble, they come to Europe for the problems THEIR leaders started (actually most just come for economic reasons, but still)! I don't feel ashamed at all Canada makes 15 billion per year from its arms deal as it helps our country! 

Because our governments supposedly support democracy and wave our finger at every third-world country with human rights abuses. Unless the countries are rich and have a lot of oil of course (and are a "strategic partner").

Anyway, I just came back from a one day ban. But let me use this opportunity to tell you that I absolutely dispise your very person. You arrogant, self-indulgent, cold, heartless piece of living dung!

Oh I'm so devastated! Trying to put me down for an opinion I have! Should I just agree with what you say. You know while you may hate Belgium because of its arms dealing, realize that you're country is also full of islamic extremists as well. Maybe you should stop worrying about the middle-east, and look at the problems your country faces. But ahhh... I'm just a bigot eh?



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

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Aura7541 said:
barneystinson69 said:

 Afganistan was approved under the UN, meaning the intervention had justification. Iraq I can agree on as it had no mandate, but once again that was only the US and UK that got involved.  And tell me if the  Arab spring or all these civil wars that resulted are because of the west too!

Hey, didn't you hear? US invaded Egypt and Libya hence why the Muslim Brotherhood rose to power. It's all an inside job!

I assume this is sarcasm? Especially with the face at the end.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

barneystinson69 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

That's why I specified the NATO. And I clearly stated the western disruptions, don't try to claw your way out of here.

 Afganistan was approved under the UN, meaning the intervention had justification. Iraq I can agree on as it had no mandate, but once again that was only the US and UK that got involved.  And tell me if the  Arab spring or all these civil wars that resulted are because of the west too!

It had a UNSC mandate, that body doesn't give a damn about what the general UN assembly thinks. The US made the Afghanistan mess anyway when they armed the Taliban against the Soviet-backend government. The Arab spring is not a result of western intervention, I never claimed that. I claim the self-serving interventions by the NATO in the context of the Arab spring were disasters and you can't prove me wrong on that.



barneystinson69 said:
Aura7541 said:

Hey, didn't you hear? US invaded Egypt and Libya hence why the Muslim Brotherhood rose to power. It's all an inside job!

I assume this is sarcasm? Especially with the face at the end.

Yeah, it was. I'm just demonstrating that the US cannot be blamed for the rise of Islamism at its entirety. Other good examples are the stabbings/hackings in Bangladesh and the Sharia courts in Indonesia. Can't really blame the US for those things.



barneystinson69 said:

Oh I'm so devastated! Trying to put me down for an opinion I have! Should I just agree with what you say. You know while you may hate Belgium because of its arms dealing, realize that you're country is also full of islamic extremists as well. Maybe you should stop worrying about the middle-east, and look at the problems your country faces. But ahhh... I'm just a bigot eh?

Don't be so dramatic, I'm not putting a gun to your head. Insulting you is also freedom of speech. Concerning islamic extremism, it's a problem in Belgium all right, but regarding severe job-market discriminations and persistant fascist rethoric in the North of Belgium, coupled with a failing integration and job-security policy, it's hardly surprising we have this problem. The islamic community in Belgium did much more for this country than it destroyed anyway.



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WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

 Afganistan was approved under the UN, meaning the intervention had justification. Iraq I can agree on as it had no mandate, but once again that was only the US and UK that got involved.  And tell me if the  Arab spring or all these civil wars that resulted are because of the west too!

It had a UNSC mandate, that body doesn't give a damn about what the general UN assembly thinks. The US made the Afghanistan mess anyway when they armed the Taliban against the Soviet-backend government. The Arab spring is not a result of western intervention, I never claimed that. I claim the self-serving interventions by the NATO in the context of the Arab spring were disasters and you can't prove me wrong on that.

Well if it hadn't been the US who intervened in Afganistan, would it be better off today? I mean the soviet's invaded the country and planned to do god know what (it was before I was even born, so I don't know much about details). And since they collapsed just a few years later, do we really want to know what could've happened there? And what exactly do you mean by self-serving interventions by NATO? Look, it was their people that decided to start these civil wars and overthrow their leaders, not ours. Yes, the US supported it because these regimes weren't democracy's. It doesn't mean they started the crisis.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Aura7541 said:
barneystinson69 said:

I assume this is sarcasm? Especially with the face at the end.

Yeah, it was. I'm just demonstrating that the US cannot be blamed for the rise of Islamism at its entirety. Other good examples are the stabbings/hackings in Bangladesh and the Sharia courts in Indonesia. Can't really blame the US for those things.

Did we blame the US for those things? It's easy to accuse someone of overgenralization and then commit it yourself.



WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

Oh I'm so devastated! Trying to put me down for an opinion I have! Should I just agree with what you say. You know while you may hate Belgium because of its arms dealing, realize that you're country is also full of islamic extremists as well. Maybe you should stop worrying about the middle-east, and look at the problems your country faces. But ahhh... I'm just a bigot eh?

Don't be so dramatic, I'm not putting a gun to your head. Insulting you is also freedom of speech. Concerning islamic extremism, it's a problem in Belgium all right, but regarding severe job-market discriminations and persistant fascist rethoric in the North of Belgium, coupled with a failing integration and job-security policy, it's hardly surprising we have this problem. The islamic community in Belgium did much more for this country than it destroyed anyway.

Like what have they done exactly? Because from what I've heard, they suffer from huge unemployement and use up a huge amount of welfare money (aside from not integrating into society). I'm not from Belgium, so its up to you to back up your statements.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

WolfpackN64 said:
Aura7541 said:

Yeah, it was. I'm just demonstrating that the US cannot be blamed for the rise of Islamism at its entirety. Other good examples are the stabbings/hackings in Bangladesh and the Sharia courts in Indonesia. Can't really blame the US for those things.

Did we blame the US for those things? It's easy to accuse someone of overgenralization and then commit it yourself.

Can't take a joke, can you?



barneystinson69 said:

Well if it hadn't been the US who intervened in Afganistan, would it be better off today? I mean the soviet's invaded the country and planned to do god know what (it was before I was even born, so I don't know much about details). And since they collapsed just a few years later, do we really want to know what could've happened there? And what exactly do you mean by self-serving interventions by NATO? Look, it was their people that decided to start these civil wars and overthrow their leaders, not ours. Yes, the US supported it because these regimes weren't democracy's. It doesn't mean they started the crisis.

The communist government in Afghanistan was the legitimate government then. The USSR did NOT invade. The USSR intervened because the Afghan government asked. The US just wanted to disrupt a potential expansion of Communism.