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WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

 Afganistan was approved under the UN, meaning the intervention had justification. Iraq I can agree on as it had no mandate, but once again that was only the US and UK that got involved.  And tell me if the  Arab spring or all these civil wars that resulted are because of the west too!

It had a UNSC mandate, that body doesn't give a damn about what the general UN assembly thinks. The US made the Afghanistan mess anyway when they armed the Taliban against the Soviet-backend government. The Arab spring is not a result of western intervention, I never claimed that. I claim the self-serving interventions by the NATO in the context of the Arab spring were disasters and you can't prove me wrong on that.

Well if it hadn't been the US who intervened in Afganistan, would it be better off today? I mean the soviet's invaded the country and planned to do god know what (it was before I was even born, so I don't know much about details). And since they collapsed just a few years later, do we really want to know what could've happened there? And what exactly do you mean by self-serving interventions by NATO? Look, it was their people that decided to start these civil wars and overthrow their leaders, not ours. Yes, the US supported it because these regimes weren't democracy's. It doesn't mean they started the crisis.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).