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This kind of bifurcation of complex discussions is exactly what has caused intellectual discussion and philosophy among common people this generation to grind to a freaking halt. Are you a mysoginist or a feminist? Are you a hyper liberal or a hyper conservative? Do you want to take all guns away or do you have an abram in your basement? Are you an authoritarian yes man or a total freedom near-anarchist? And don't try to explain a middle ground or how extremes are almost always the worst options in complex situations because then your an indecisive coward who is unwilling to fight for freedom or order, depending on who you are talking to.

As for the Apple vs FBI debate, there IS no debate if both parties involved would get their heads out of their asses and use common sense. If incriminating documents were in a vault with an incinerator wired to the door to destroy evidence when the lock is picked or door is forced, you wouldn't just try to open it and hope for the best. You would find a specialist or preferably the designer to get it open for you. That's literally all this is. The smart phone is the vault, the "erase everything if you get the code wrong" is the incinerator. If the FBI would treat it as such and Apple would comply like what a normal, rational individual would there wouldn't *be* a debate. But no, even at the highest levels people have to make drama and get in pissing contests over simple issues.



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Both to a certain level. I think it's unrealistic to expect security without sacrificing some freedom.



Well...both. That's the only way society functions.

Also, lets get something straight about the Apple vs. FBI thing. That wasn't freedom vs. security. That was trading one threat (not being able to get into a potential terrorists phone) for another (having a weak link in the digital armor).

Had Apple complied, someone who wasn't supposed to get in would and cause problems.



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Not a choice I have to make. I have both.



Why not the freedom to choose? As long as its on a personal level, and the people understand the risks.

But the Apple vs The FBI was just BS from the FBI's side (and a nice marketing stunt from Apple).



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Both.
However I dont feel like we should sacrifice freedoms for security.



JRPGfan said:
Both.
However I dont feel like we should sacrifice freedoms for security.

This !

And if really need to choice freedom !




Nuvendil said:

This kind of bifurcation of complex discussions is exactly what has caused intellectual discussion and philosophy among common people this generation to grind to a freaking halt. Are you a mysoginist or a feminist? Are you a hyper liberal or a hyper conservative? Do you want to take all guns away or do you have an abram in your basement? Are you an authoritarian yes man or a total freedom near-anarchist? And don't try to explain a middle ground or how extremes are almost always the worst options in complex situations because then your an indecisive coward who is unwilling to fight for freedom or order, depending on who you are talking to.

As for the Apple vs FBI debate, there IS no debate if both parties involved would get their heads out of their asses and use common sense. If incriminating documents were in a vault with an incinerator wired to the door to destroy evidence when the lock is picked or door is forced, you wouldn't just try to open it and hope for the best. You would find a specialist or preferably the designer to get it open for you. That's literally all this is. The smart phone is the vault, the "erase everything if you get the code wrong" is the incinerator. If the FBI would treat it as such and Apple would comply like what a normal, rational individual would there wouldn't *be* a debate. But no, even at the highest levels people have to make drama and get in pissing contests over simple issues.

Technically the polarisation is todays trend because people like to do politics with it. Issue isn't necessarily the topic in question but what else you're ramming with the subject. 

With the Apple case, it's more likely Apple doesn't want people to know what information it's collecting.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

They are both illusions so does is really matter?



In this day and age, is really hard to not have freedom. Just because you are being watched/monitored, does mot mean your freedom is being taken away...

As a (lucky) guy coming from one very dangerous country, I'd choose security.



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