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Ultr on 16 May 2016
nanarchy said:
Ultr said:

You know what. People actually are doing something. You are just talking. You say you know the bigger problem that is here, why are you not in favour of going with this movement and petition and take it even further than just talking.

THIS is how you change something. BUT you are not going to change anything by just talking about the problems. Something has to be done, and these guys are doing it. This will then spread to other metascore as well as long people are loud enough.

The point is, they are NOT doing something. They had a prime opportunity to do something but were unable to look at the bigger picture. It is like seeing a car speeding past a kindergarten, instead of partitioning to get the road signed or speed bumps etc installed instead they partition for the police to go after the person they saw speeding, they are addressing a symptom instead of the problem. Make a partition that addresses the problem and I will happily sign it, until then I am quite happy to just ignore metacritic as a source of reviews.

Then I do not see the point of having this conversation with you here. You say you do not care but obviously you care.

Its not a symptom when they are telling metacritic, look you have to watch your reviews Trolls are incoming. If they actually suceed in doing so. People see that it works so they can do it on other games as well. It its your problem that there are too many troll reviews on Metacritic then THERE you go.

Once the websites realise, shit Metacritic seems to take actions againts our troll reviews they may actually publish real reviews.



I officialy know too much now.

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Wildcard36qs on 16 May 2016
Sprash said:
Wildcard36qs said:

I was being a bit facetious, but I am talking about from a gamer's perspective - not the manufacturer/developer. Of course they are in this as a business and want/need sales.

well to be fair if the internet was a thing back in the good old days the same would have happened like it is now.

Eh, we were happy to have games to play and were nowhere near as critical as we are today. But, you may be right. I still think it is more of an age/generational thing - this complaining about everything and feeling a need to have everyone accept your views/opinions and no one can have a differing opinion. It really is hypocryitcal and comical at times. Man those were the good old days.



midrange on 16 May 2016
CenterYharnham said:
If someone who had never played the game wrote a bogus review giving it a 10/10 would there be a petition to remove that score as well?

After all, you don't care that this guy gave it a 4/10, you only care about the validity of the review, right?

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Actually yes, I would still sign the petition even if the bogus review gave it a 10. Games shouldn't be overhyped or undermined by satirical reviews



drdante on 16 May 2016
pokoko said:

It's really not.  It's a "let's not say anything about a potential problem" post.  It's a post telling people to just shrug and move on rather than ask questions.  There are people here saying, "hey, there seem to be some discrepancies with this, let's discuss that," and then we get posts like the one you quoted calling that embarrassing?  I mean, seriously, what the hell?  That's a great post?  No, it's not.  

Yeah, I get it, people here are reading "Uncharted" and they're pulling their faction badges on and turning their brains off because it's not a game on a system they like.  Not long ago they were losing their shit because someone didn't like water levels but now they're "embarrassed"?  Bullshit.  

Honestly, I expected this from many but for others I've lost respect.  I don't know why but, for some strange reason, I was thinking that this forum could look at this a bit more rationally, even if they came to conclusion that The Washington Post and Metacritic both got things right.  Instead, it's just a lot of people who either fail at reading comprehenion or they're automatically against anything that might have a positive effect for a rival faction.  

Now that........is a fantastic post! 



         

Spade on 16 May 2016

Can't wait until Qt3 publishes their review of Uncharted 4



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Veknoid_Outcast on 16 May 2016
naruball said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, neither of us can prove definitively our case. I believe the author of the petition, based on his words, is focused more on raising the score of what he considers an all-time great game. And I believe most of the people signing the petition want to improve the reputation of a PlayStation exclusive/Naughty Dog title. You believe the author wants to correct an injustice that sets a dangerous precedent for all games on Metacritic. And that most of the signees are concerned with the integrity of Metacritic, and that raising the score of Uncharted 4 is secondary to that.

Since neither of us can read minds I guess we're at an impasse.

If you could answer the bolded, that'd be great.

You want me to prove a negative. You can't insist X is true because I don't have evidence X is false.

But I can offer up lots of hypotheses: that no one summoned the courage to blacklist a critic/review/publication without pretext; that no one thought to create a survey online; that is HAS happened, just not on a petition at change.org.

I'm not sure what you want exactly. Both of use are bringing our own experiences and perspectives to this debate. Based on the wording of the survey, previous posts by its signees, the parochial nature of video game enthusiasts, and good old-fashioned human nature, I believe there are ulterior motives at work. If you believe otherwise, I respect that.

And if you truly want to fix Metacritic and reform the video game review process, then we're on the same team. I hope you'll continue to monitor the site for errors and inconsistencies, for games on all systems.



Boutros on 16 May 2016
pokoko said:

It's really not.  It's a "let's not say anything about a potential problem" post.  It's a post telling people to just shrug and move on rather than ask questions.  There are people here saying, "hey, there seem to be some discrepancies with this, let's discuss that," and then we get posts like the one you quoted calling that embarrassing?  I mean, seriously, what the hell?  That's a great post?  No, it's not.  

Yeah, I get it, people here are reading "Uncharted" and they're pulling their faction badges on and turning their brains off because it's not a game on a system they like.  Not long ago they were losing their shit because someone didn't like water levels but now they're "embarrassed"?  Bullshit.  

Honestly, I expected this from many but for others I've lost respect.  I don't know why but, for some strange reason, I was thinking that this forum could look at this a bit more rationally, even if they came to conclusion that The Washington Post and Metacritic both got things right.  Instead, it's just a lot of people who either fail at reading comprehenion or they're automatically against anything that might have a positive effect for a rival faction.  

Agreed!

There is definitely a problem here and it would interesting to discuss how it can be avoided in the future.

The best solution I can find and the one I feel Metacritic should have done a long time ago is to ignore extreme values (top/bottom 5%/10%) whilst also considering standard deviation. It's very frequent to do this whenever you deal with means and it usually leads to more accurate results.



CenterYharnham on 16 May 2016

To anyone here that doesn't regularly visit this site and is shocked by the hypocrisy and pettiness of this thread, please know that we are not all like this.

This is the vocal minority of the Naughty Dog fan base and nothing more than a childish attempt at further validation.

Please know that the vast majority of us are better than this and are extremely happy/grateful that Naughty Dog has given us another fantastic game despite one bogus review.



Veknoid_Outcast on 16 May 2016
pokoko said:
Carl2291 said:

This is a fantastic post Veknoid. 

It's really not.  It's a "let's not say anything about a potential problem" post.  It's a post telling people to just shrug and move on rather than ask questions.  There are people here saying, "hey, there seem to be some discrepancies with this, let's discuss that," and then we get posts like the one you quoted calling that embarrassing?  I mean, seriously, what the hell?  That's a great post?  No, it's not.  

Yeah, I get it, people here are reading "Uncharted" and they're pulling their faction badges on and turning their brains off because it's not a game on a system they like.  Not long ago they were losing their shit because someone didn't like water levels but now they're "embarrassed"?  Bullshit.  

Honestly, I expected this from many but for others I've lost respect.  I don't know why but, for some strange reason, I was thinking that this forum could look at this a bit more rationally, even if they came to conclusion that The Washington Post and Metacritic both got things right.  Instead, it's just a lot of people who either fail at reading comprehenion or they're automatically against anything that might have a positive effect for a rival faction.  

Far from it. My post, and others on this site, draw attention to problems on Metacritic and in the industry at large. In fact, my post details a potential problem: us. I'm pooh-poohing this particular "problem," yes, but I'm urging people to think more broadly about bigger and more consequential problems. So I'm not sure where you're coming from.

And we seem to be arguing the same thing, I think? I think factionalism and parochialism make this Metacritic situation that much worse. You appear to believe the same?

Again, this comes down to whether you believe the petitioner and his supporters at face value or you don't. I don't, clearly. 

But, again, your post doesn't make much sense. You bash me for assuming the worst in people, and then assume the worst in me?

Again - and this is something I've posted dozens of times before - we need to stop crying foul only when a Nintendo game gets a lowball score or when a Sony game gets shortchanged. We need to protect all consumers and the medium in general. We can't just make a petition when we feel our favorites are under attack. We need to demand better from ourselves and from critics.



midrange on 16 May 2016
CenterYharnham said:

To anyone here that doesn't regularly visit this site and is shocked by the hypocrisy and pettiness of this thread, please know that we are not all like this.

This is the vocal minority of the Naughty Dog fan base and nothing more than a childish attempt at further validation.

Please know that the vast majority of us are better than this and are extremely happy/grateful that Naughty Dog has given us another fantastic game despite one bogus review.

Get off your high horse and stop generalizing people into a "childish" category. If you dont like the thread, move on. Instead, you've been baiting people with sarcasm or generalizations like these.