While I agree with your statement, this little gem, "I have a gaming pc, a good one so i know about power" sounds exactly what a person that doesn't know anything about power would say. Granted, i don't know shit about what makes a gaming pc good, I just thought it was funny.

Well I have a really old PC, with a 680GTX and a old i7 and altough I love my PS4 I have found all multiplatform games, like the witcher, fallout and so on, to run much better on my old pc, I do think this generation is a lot less powerfull from the launch then for excample the Xbox360 was.

I don't think its a bad thing if the cycle of the consoles becomes 5 years again, I don't like the idea of upgrades every 3 years.

I am glad we got the PS4 and Xbox one because Oh my god did the PS3 and Xbox360 feel "slow" at the end :)

It's not that the PS4 isn't powerful enough, it's that we should stop focusing so much on visuals.

I honestly don't think there is any way they could have gotten Uncharted 4 running at 1080P/60fps while looking like it does.

Based on what we've seen from this gen so far, Uncharted 4 doesn't even seem like it should be possible as is.

Also, I don't think the debate over the importantce of 60fps is anywhere near clear cut enough to expect every developer to aim for it at any cost.

Even if this is as far the PS4 goes I honestly wouldn't care if all games looked like this for the rest of the generation.

Again it's not powerful. PS4 barely edges my 5 year old gaming pc.

Disregarding PC, in terms of raw specs the roof is a bit too low. PS4K will give a little more longevity but aside from that it's not gonna blow the competition of the water.

Just finished Uncharted 4. I gotta say that the graphics is stellar for a console game. It really kicks that recent FFXV demo in the nuts. SE optimized that poorly.

Still even as stellar Uncharted 4 was, there certain times the 30fps wouldn't hold. Especially that last fight. God dammit it was a visual marvel yet at times the framerate drops. The thing is, Uncharted 4 uses great Motion Blur techniques to hide such events. At times they were in the mid 20s when things get wild. But that framerate drop I experienced the end was certainly different from the rest.

Not 1080p/60fps. 900p/60fps. 720p/60fps if need be. It absolutely is clear cut. The way a game plays is more important than the clarity of the screen.

Pretty much conclusion is Naughty Dog created a optimized masterpiece for how weak hardware used. You obviously can make a games look better if you had better hardware but do they have enough dedication for the fine details? 3rd party must deal with different OS and different hardware configuration which can cost more money and time. Games bust have looks vs performance ratio as there are a bottle neck for hardware. The Game budget is balanced between Graphics/Gameplay/Content/Marketing plus Porting the game (3rd party).

This! Naughty Dogs are master crafters at what they do. The PS4 was outdated out the door with it's Jaguar APU .

Agreed. This generation especially, visuals seem to come before the game design a lot of times. It's a unfortunate but I'm sure it will go away. 

Not saying that I don't like good looking games... Who doesn't. It should just take a back seat to other factors like story and gameplay.