Since every other source has the game at 220k 163k (as of December 2007), something has to explain the difference - either it's shipped numbers, or it includes downloads, or both. So yeah, there's a possibility it doesn't include downloads (I hadn't thought about the "shipped" possiblity before).

But I really don't see why they wouldn't include downloads seeing as they're sales too.

Actually, it shows it did quite well as a  download.  It says it is as of December 2007.  Vgchartz has GT5P selling about 163k by the end of December.

No matter what's happening with downloaded/shipped numbers, I think it's pretty safe to say (although not 100% certain) that GT5:P didn't come close to GTA4:P in sales. As hard as I try, I can't find any more information about its sales so I guess we'll just have to go with what's  in the thread already.

If you compare Gran Turismo 4: Prologue's sales to Gran Turismo 5: Prologue's sales in Japan it adds strength to the argument that you should expect lower sales for Gran Truismo 5: Prologue ...

In general, I think people need to remember that only a small percentage of the people who buy a particular game are "die-hard" fans of the series; most are only fans of the genre who already own the system, or gamers who become interested in the game because it is a high profile game on a system they already own. In general, because they're less people who own a PS3, or are buying a PS3 (in comparison to the PS2 when games in these series were released for it) you should expect lower sales. How much lower the sales will be mainly depends on how much competition the games have when they're released on both the PS3 and from games on any platform in general.

If the games bomb then the one I don't want BOMBED is that GT5 racing game! That game looks too good to go to waste. As for MSG4, 3 million LTD won't be so bad....to me anyways!

GT4P got .79 in Japan, GT5P (including downloads) should be around .35 - .4 now in Japan, it won't reach GT4P numbers, but it should reach gold in Japan alone, which is not bad for a "demo".

@Yakuzaice

Yeah I missed that what can you say hundreds of games its easy to forget a release here or there.

I understand where you're coming from about the bombing of games...but these aren't new IPs like Lair. Most of the PS3 games that have "bombed" are mostly new IPs. There's only one thing, MGS isn't new, GT isn't new...people KNOW that these games have been successful. So whether or not these games are actually good to the majority, it's going to sell simply because of the names.

-Sounds more like what you want to happen, meaning what wont happen.

- hahahaha. Dude youre hilarious.

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Jesus lord man, youre trying too hard to classify everything you want to not see succeed as a bomb.